I am leaving in the morning for Costa Rica and the world Championships. I will be following and filming Team Thule as they try to reclaim their title. I will be posting to a bunch of sites, including Los Dobos great gathering of info. I will post other links during my 6 and a half hour layover in Dallas tomorrow.
Have a great trip, Randy! Looking forward to "watching" the race.
I'll be in country too, coincidentally on my honeymoon. Since they seem to be going Panama to Nicaragua, I'll be going in the opposite direction. Pacuare-Arenal-Uvita between Nov 28-Dec 7th. It sounds like they're going to be all over the place! Jealous!
Here are a couple of links to follow the race with me.http://www.flickr.com/photos/77976186@N07/sets/721...http://explorecompetelive.com/http://www.facebook.com/randy.ericksen
Not much yet. Tomorrow I start a 3 day tour of the country and will post.
There will be others later.
Looking forward to the coverage Randy and not getting much accomplished next week! Thx!
I'll be covering the race as live as possible via the Breathe Magazine live coverage site.Breathe Magazine
The most recent Breathe posts will also be on the ARWC Live site.
And yes, we'll be getting raw video footage from legendaryrandy's coverage of the non-Swedes of Team Thule.
As a further added bonus, Leanimal will be on the ground with her camera, and we've got her onto the media bus, so we'll have good eyes on the ground.
I can't wait for this thing to start.
I can't wait for it to be over :-)
... this always makes for one of my most unproductive weeks of the year (workwise)... so hard to be near a computer and not constantly check on ... EVERYONE!
I wasn't just being tongue-in-cheek: Thule really has no Swedes in their lineup. They are 2 French, 1 Spanish, and 1 Kiwi.
Ironic in light of the proposed change coming to next year's ARWC...
I'm leaving the UK on Thursday morning and will be arriving in San Jose the same evening! Can't wait. I seem to have more kit than other multi-day races though. Excess baggage is going to cost a fortune.
For those of you that will be following various team's progress, could you include our team (Team Endurancelife) in your commentary for the benefit of my friends and family? I have pointed them to this forum for some good updates.
Good luck Kyle and others that will be racing. I will hopefully see you there.
Is that another Thule team? I think there is the all/mostly Swedish one, and then another Thule sponsored team that has competed at races where the Swedish Thule team hasn't been there? But why wouldn't the Swedes be at the Worlds? Are any of those members going to be there, on other teams? Or do they have a different sponsor?
Who decided to let Leanimal do the photography? Have you seen how spotty her track record is for posting photos on AP? ;)
Although she does do amazing things with photoshop.... (gotta go, starting to have a laughing fit again...)
No racing yet. But I am getting to see some of the country. Some of it from above the trees.http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=71104629890767...
Who are all the Attackpointers at ARWC this year? Gotta know who I'm supposed to watch and cheer for.
Team Endurancelife (GD44)
Tecnu (Tico 3.0, Getawaystix, Beantown)
"Bounddless" 2 (Turbo, Zoolander, Slice, Phatty) (intentionally misspelt. See comments later.)
Untamed Canada / Clinique du Pied Equilibre (Jackson5)
Oh, and we mustn't forget volunteer / staff APers:
LosDobos (although he is working from home)
I will be there as well, filming on course with the Japanese film crew. My main task will be to follow/film (i.e. try to keep up with) the lead team on the longer trekking sections of the race. So it will be a whole different kind of "race" for me this time around.
Very cool! They've picked the right guy. :) If you find a moment to post here occasionally, that would be awesome.
It's Weds morning and I still don't have an itinerary (but I'm bringing all the gps tracking hardware and sat communication stuff from www.PinnacleTracking.com
, so I have to think they'll get me there somehow). I *think* I may be flying down tomorrow, but so far there's no ticket.
Randy, you're my stand-in if I don't make it (and yes you can have my hotel room)
Not only am I looking forward to the race coverage, but utlimately the footage to come out of the race, including Boundless 2. How cool to see a race on tv since the last eco challenges.
@Untamed: Not cool. Hope things get sorted out soon.
Aren't you sorry you passed on the opportunity, @Bash?
Still disappointed not to be there with you! :) However, I worried about stuff like this when details weren't forthcoming. The last AR world championship I volunteered at put me in scarier situations than I've ever encountered on a race course, so I like organizers who provide information in advance and give me confidence that they'll take good care of their volunteers.
Two AP's who are not actively logging since last year are:
Thule (Stuart L)
Columbia Vidaraid (Vraid)
This thread could hit 50 before the race starts... I'm guessing it'll eclipse (1000, 1500, 2000, 2500) 2575 before it's over!
I love that these can be edited... I may bump this 2 or 3 times! :-)
I'll look like a jeanieous.... :-)
Last year's hit 640 and that was with fewer AP's involved! We're gonna crush that! Who's going to start with the top 5 guestimates??
Adidas Terrex Prunesco is the likely spoiler.
Silva will be racing in a new combination without their injured team captain, Björn Rydvall. They still have three of their regular squad including navigator Aaron Prince. They're a very experienced team but this will add to the challenge.
I propose that this week we all add "ARWC Spectating" as an activity category and log it appropriately.
If we'd done that for Expedition Africa, there would have been some level 5 intensity toward the end!
Seagate but barely
Adidas Terrex (they know how to win over long remote distances)
Putting things in perspective: The Merrell Adventure Addicts make a last minute substitution after a cancer diagnosis. :(
Which reminds me: the Merrell Adventure Addicts are my dark horse top-5. They thrive on long tough races and are likely to be super motivated.
Breathe easy. Grant got his plane ticket and is on my flight now from Atlanta. Tracking will happen.
Kyle refused to shake hands, though, avoiding germs on the flight --- maybe Tecnu lands a new sponsor for 2014: Purell!
Or maybe I stink of poor fitness!
Mark Lattanzi is in the row ahead if me. Everyone converging on San Jose...
Great news! ARWC without trackers would be sad indeed.
Bash, don't even say that.
Me and you both, Peter, would be out of a job :)
LosDobos could be our "tracker".... :)
(as if keeping up with any individual top team isn't tough enough, try keeping up with 65 of them... Give LosDobos enough good Costa Rican coffee and I think he could try to pull it off... ;)
All of Team Untamed Canada have arrived with their gear. Getawaystix (with Hermes) and Special K have arrived with all their gear too. It's a rainy day, perfect for pre-race prep.
I'm on my way today. Just testing out brand new camera gear....what do they say about using new equipment on race day? LosDobos is meeting me at the airport with a go pro so I a motivated to get up in the trees and doing a nice video montage of me drinking some really good coffee. That's what you guys wanted to see right? I agree LosDobos will be deserving of some of that nice CR coffee. Of course he will be more in need of it during the next two weeks than when I get back. I'll take care of the coffee.
Leanimal, I can help you with the gopro when you get here.
What camera did you decide on in the end?
Here's the event schedule.
My favourite session is tomorrow morning from 9:30-11 a.m.: "Briefing Teams and Snake Talk"
LosDobos wrote a good overview of what we can expect when the race course is announced.
En vivo y directo, desde race HQ:
Still waiting on DHL to deliver the tracking hardware...
A favour requested by Team "Bounddless" 2 (misspelling is intentional): Many people on AP are familiar with their television series seen in Canada and the U.S.A. Although everyone here knows how to follow them at ARWC and will know how it turns out for them, they would appreciate minimal mention of their team name online and in social media in order to avoid spoilers for the average viewer in their audience.
They don't mind people mentioning their individual names, and if we stick to AP names when we talk about them here, that adds a level of obscurity: Zoolander, Turbo (also the name he uses on the show), Phatty and Slice. Since Slice is a defending champion at Costa Rica AR, perhaps we can just call them "Slice's Team". :)
Good reminder Bash, thanks cause I surely would have opened my big mouth! :)
A few point form notes Hermes took at the media meeting:
4 am bus for 6-8 hours. Start on the Panama/ CR border. Le Mans start to bike boxes.
Trekking will traverse through sections that are forbidden and very wild - 35 hours approx for top teams. Indigenous sections very wild. 3 different tribes in CR.
Access for press 2 ways but very limited, Indian guide necessary when covering sections like this, require permits. Get registration form.
Cerro Chirripo - 6-8 hours to summit (highest mountain in CR).
6.5 days for top teams assuming all the conditions are favourable!
As per Sleepmonsters, one of the dark zones exists because that area has so many poisonous snakes. (!!!)
That is absurd!! I am sure it will be all clear in the daylight.
Tico, I was thinking of you when I heard this. :) I wondered if the dark zone was in place to ensure you have a better chance of seeing the snakes but it turns out that two of the most dangerous snakes - fer-de-lance and bushmaster - tend to be nocturnal so the dark zone sounds like a fine plan.
Btw I stumbled on this advice about CR snakes:
"We recommend that you don’t get too close to rivers or dead trees and foliage. Try not to touch trees without looking."
Hmm, that sounds a lot like adventure racing. Stay alert!
Knee-high gaiters would be good mandatory gear in this case. None of the snakes can strike higher than that.
Team Endurancelife are all hereand ready to roll. I'm glad I read the above log for info. Communication on the ground isn't the best as the organisers issue their schedules and information by email instead of the old fashioned way of handing out paper or placing info on notice boards.
Chatted with Nathan Faave in the queue for registration. Really nice guy.
Interesting to hear that some of you above fancy Adidas Terrex Prunesco in the top 5. I know 2 of them well (Tom Gibbs and Nick Gracie). It'll be interesting to see whether they decide to keep up with the pack at the start or play their own race. I suspect the former as like Kyle said in one of his interviews, you've got to be near the front after 36 hrs to win.
Racing to avoid dark zones may play a significant role in this race too.
In the media briefing, they announced a media embargo on discussing sections after the first one. Let's see how that effective that is...
I'm changing my completely uninformed predictions to Tecnu second, Adidas third. I think the different strategic choices favor Tecnu.
And I'm biased. Though still think Forne's team will win, but just barely.
The current Seagate team has never been beaten with this lineup of racers.
Not sure about Haglofs-Silva's lineup, but they have finished on the podium at ARWC 5 times...so overdue for a win. It would take a race-ending disaster to keep either of those teams off the podium. That leaves on spot sort of up for grabs. There's the small matter of 2011 world champs Thule, although half their lineup is different now.
It'll be muy interesting.
Silva is racing without their team captain (injured shoulder) and a barrowed 4th teammate which could impact their podium push. They are still a top 5 team with new lineup.
Tecnu's Facebook post is a good summary of what's been going on:
Long day today with pre race meetings about snakes, and the release of the course description and the first set of maps. We then had a media meeting and were given our media credentials so we can follow the team during the event. We ran some errands for the team, and now we are getting ready for a parade of athletes through the town to a posh Country Club for dinner and opening ceremonies. I will be sure to download pictures tonight when we get back. Sorry reporting has been so spotty today but we are very busy in preparation for the race start in less than 2 days. Tomorrow we will do a social project out on the town and then Monday morning at 4 a.m. a.m We will leave to go to the race start somewhere near the Panama border a seven or eight hour drive from San Jose where we are currently. The halls of the Radisson Europa are filled with bike boxes & gear boxes and bike bags and kayak equipment and teams preparing for what will be one of the toughest adventure races in quite some time.
Here's the race course overview, courtesy of Jackson5 of Untamed Canada.
And they posted an overview map too. They'll be getting most of their real maps on the course.
The complete race in a nutshell:Breathe
Off to the race start in a couple hours -- I'll be there tonight in advance of teams arriving 2 PM tomorrow. If I get a chance I'll update you all on the conditions.
Thanks, Untamed! :) LosDobos' overview is so useful that it merits putting most of the text in this thread so we can refer back to it quickly during the race. Thanks, LosDobos! (But I recommend reading LosDobos' linked version now to get extra commentary.)
- Initially teams have 1 overview map of the entire course... They will only receive the maps at the start of the race. Actually, they will only receive the maps up to TA4 (mid camp?), at which point they will be given the maps up to TA8, and only then will they get the final set that will see them to the finish.
- The start... racers sprint 1 km to get to their bike boxes and maps.
- Section 1 is a 95km mountain bike ride from the start down to the Pacific coast at the Golfo Dulce.
- Section 2 is a 65km flatwater kayak along the coast, North-West to the Osa peninsula.
- Section 3 is a trek across the Osa peninsula, 27km during which they will have to carry all their paddling gear with them. This section finishes with teams picking up their kayaks and portaging them 10km to the northern coast of the Osa peninsula.
- Section 4 is a combined kayak & trek (65km) through the biggest mangrove swamp in Central America. This will be a score orienteering section, with the checkpoints taken in any order. Tides will likely play a large role in routes and speed, and all teams have been given local tide tables. This will also be their first exposure to crocodiles.
- Section 5 is a 101 km bike ride to mid camp, with a brief stop to experience the longest (2km) and fastest (145kph) zipline in the world: the Tirolesa Superman Osa. If there is a bottleneck here, time will be neutralized.
- Mid Camp is a 4 hour mandatory stop at the end of the bike ride. Teams will be checked over by medics, write a short race blog (which will be posted to the live coverage site), recharge batteries, and get some off-the-clock sleep. It is likely here that they will get the maps to take them all the way to TA8, so not much sleep for the navigators here.
- Section 6 is a huge 92km remote mountain trek, and will be the key stage of the race. Teams start off with an ascent of Chirripo, the highest peak in Costa Rica involving over 4000m of ascent. The expected fastest time for this stage is 35 hours and teams will have to take everything they will need on their backs, true expedition style. There is nowhere to resupply along the route. They will also face 3 roped river crossings, so must carry their climbing harnesses with them.
- Section 7 is a relatively short bike ride of 40km, but it does involve climbing over 1600metres.
- Section 8 is a trekking and guided rafting stage of 33km and will be another decisive point in the race. The start of the rafting is the one and only cut-off in the race, at 1400 on Day 9. Any teams failing to get through will be moved ahead to complete the final two stages.
- Teams will receive the final set of maps at TA8. This transition is also the only Dark Zone. Any teams arriving after 1400 will have to wait until 0430 next morning for daylight to continue. Furthermore, the Dark Zone will extend into the ensuing 89km paddling section, and teams who make it onto the water have to stop at 1730 and camp for the night until the Dark Zone lifted. The Dark Zone will be strictly enforced using the race trackers and teams were warned the penalty for being on the water late would be disqualification. (They were also told not to sleep beside the river,as it is full of crocodiles. Sweet dreams.)
- Section 9 is the long 89km down-river paddle mentioned above.
- Section 10 is a short, flat trek of 18km to get racers to their bikes for the longest stage of the race.
- Section 11 is the longest of the race at 156km. It takes teams up to the border with Nicaragua before turning South to reach the final leg of the race.
- Section 12 is 23 km of canopy and guided rafting to the finish line. With perfect weather the lead teams are expected to take on the order of 6 days to complete this Tour de Costa Rica.
As LosDobos mentioned yesterday, the much-publicized Snake Dark Zone appears to have been a jungle myth.
Great overview LosDobos thanks! Sounds like one long gruelling race. Interesting that teams will not get any detailed maps until the start then again at the mid camp.
I like the way they are handing out maps...will keep teams from going overboard the night before with planning. Will make the start much more interesting...who will just bolt, who will take time to plan, who will make a mistake, who will see an amazing route choice that others miss.... Makes it way more interesting.
I love the map idea but I don't like the bike assembly idea. There are skills worth testing in an AR and that isn't one of them (arguably). If it is necessary because the bikes have to be transported in boxes between TAs, then of course. But this is just a way to split up the field at the start - a frustrating way.
Props to LosDobos -- better summation than I've seen on the ground here at the host hotel! I did get an english route book that I'm looking forward to finally reviewing on the 8 hour drive to the start line.
Just one point about the snake dark zone: it *might* come later in the race (after the high mountains) where we have a media embargo about discussing. Might. Who can tell with these things :)
I hope it does. It's the kind of thing people will talk about for years after the race! "Remember the world champs with the snake dark zone?" Also, some of the nastiest CR snakes are nocturnal.
Noticed a few other Canadian teams besides Slice's Team, Untamed Canada and G-Stix with Tecnu. Curious to know more about SXM (Bruno Rey, Cyril Margaritis, Jean-Baptiste Calais, Irina Safronova) and Epic Endurance (Kelly Boyd, Wayne Nyman, Andrew Fairhurst, Teresa Richer).
According to their Team Profile - EE has quite a bit of experience on their team and multiple podium finishes in various disciplines.
Interesting preview on the US teams which are entered from the Barking Frogs RD.
The Adventure Racing community is a small one. Looking through the lineup of the US teams, I realized that I have raced with many of them. As a result I have some insight in to the strengths of the various teams, and team members, and will go out on a limb and make some projections.
First and foremost, this appears to be one of the strongest fields ever for a world championship. There are many very fast and experienced teams vying to win. In addition, the terrain in Costa Rica will force teams to be on top of their game the entire way. Navigating in the jungle can be very tricky – I have learned the hard way on that one! And I understand that there will be a lot of paddling in relatively slow kayaks. (recent facebook posts show inflatable kayaks with attachable sails that teams can bring themselves) maneuvering these rigs will take good technique and long sustained effort. Above all I would expect that this course will be very wet, which means that foot care will be essential. Any adventure racer knows that if you fail to take care of your feet, it will be a very, very long race.
Team Tecnu is the top ranked team in the US. Based out of Northern California, I know Kyle Peters and Garrett Bean personally and I know that they have been training very hard. Other team members are Bob Miller, a Canadian icon and great navigator, plus Karen Lungren (Super K), one of the top female adventure racers in the world with tons of experience with Team Sole. Tecnu won in Costa Rica last year and took the USARA Championship this year. They are looking for a top 5 finish and if some of the favorites falter, they could find themselves on the podium.
Team Bones is also a Northern California based team and is anchored by Roy Malone. Roy introduced me to adventure racing back in 2003 when he was racing for Team Subaru. Roy has a ton of experience dating back to the Eco-Challenge days and has had top finishes against international competitions including Primal Quest. Jason Quinn formerly of Silly Rabbits is a medical doctor and a top navigator. Andy Tubbs, also an old Silly Rabbits team member is a top notch paddler. They are joined by Mari Chandler another world class female racer. Mari races more then anyone I know, most often with DART/Nuun and took 2nd this year at the USARA Championship. Bones won the Gold Rush Mother Lode 2013 and is in top form. I predict they will be a top 10 finisher and, based on their Costa Rica experience, might be able to place even higher.
Gear Junkie/YogaSlackers lives by the motto of “Go fast and take chances.” I have raced against Jason and Chelsey Magness many times and they always shown up fit and ready to go. Jason and Chelsey have been racing with Daniel Staudigel for a number of years now. They tend to do better when the conditions are rough and could be a sleeper team. They are joined by a relative new comer Eric Sanders. I don’t know Eric but if he is hanging with the YogaSlackers, he must be fast and tough. I would expect a top 20 finish and if the conditions are really rough, maybe even better.
Leki 50 is a group of racers that I have personally raced with at various times. I raced with Pete Spagnoli (from New York) and Thor Egerton (Australia living in Norway) at Raid the North in 2011. J.D. Eskelson (currently living in Germany) dragged me around the Gold Rush Course in 2011 and Mark Lattanzi raced with me in this year Gold Rush. This team collectively has done well over 50 expedition length races. There are three excellent navigators on the team and they are all strong and determined. Given the strength of the field a top 30 finish would be an excellent out come.
Dark Horse and Committed. I don’t know either of these teams so can’t comment too much. Based on a little research it appears that Dark Horse has team members that raced back in the Eco-Challenge days so they would have some good experience. Team Committed raced at Gold Rush this year as an all male team. They seemed to have a fun attitude which will carry them a long way. Given the length and expected difficulty of the course, I would expect that these teams will be trying to stay ahead of the cut offs so they can do as much of the course as possible.
Shout out to Team Selva Kailash with Jennifer Moos from Florida. This Brazilian team has lots of experience and has done well on the international stage. The main challenge for this team will be the language barrier. Jen doesn’t speak Portuguese and the guys speak very little English. This will make for an interesting team dynamic. I raced with Jen on Team Barking Frogs at Gold Rush this year. She is super strong and fast on the bike and has a great upbeat attitude. That should help a lot!
We will be following all of these teams as they battle the course and each other. The starting gun goes off soon. Good luck to everyone.
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My teammate from the US Natls the past 2 years Molly Housman is racing with Dark Horse. Its her first attempt at an expedition length event. Nice one to pick as her first. ;-)
To speak to your two ? Mike, SXM is a TOUGH team that I saw win in Patagonia 2008, do don't count them out if the course is really wild & wooly. They race like a military operation (not many laughs or anything), but can be effective. Epic Endurance team has great attitudes & are out for the beauty/challenge not so much the podium -- they raced Untamed New England 2012.
FYI: the ARWC live site is now live!
I would be surprised to see a dark zone announced during the race. Eating my last supper in bed. Going to be sleeping before 9PM. Alarm is set for 3AM. Sleep and eat all day tomorrow on the bus ride. I am looking forward to it.
The tides ebbing in the second paddle leg (most teams will see the tide change 3 times during this section) could prevent teams from forward progress. This would most likely be happening for us on Night 2. We plan to sleep 3 hours, but may get a huge 6 hour sleep if the current is pushing us backwards. We really aren't quite sure what to expect in this leg. Can't wait to see the maps!!!
Good Night. Happy Tracking. It is always a warm feeling out on the course to know so many of you are keeping an eye on us and yelling at your desktops!!
Good luck Tico, Bean, K, and stix. Go get it!
I'm about to fall to sleep too. Good night.
I informed Adidas Terrex of some of your predictions above! They intend to hit the long trek section hard.
Be safe, everyone! We'll be watching your little dot.
Getawaystix of Tecnu talking about the race course and the sections they believe will play the biggest role in separating teams.
From the little I know about foreign teams I would imagine Seagate has a big advantage because of the delayed map distribution and has to be the favorite. From what I know Chris Forne is one of the best orienteers in the world.
I don't know enough about all of the teams to make a top 5 prediction list. Seagate to me is an obvious favourite but I see Tecnu on the podium or DNF, based on a comparison with Seagate. Seagate will push the pace as usual and some of the top teams will crack after 48-60 hrs.
Tecnu has the experience and fitness and preparedness to race for the podium and the fact that Bob and Kyle won this (CR) race last year is a huge advantage (IMHO) mentally. I think they are at the point where they will hold nothing back from start to finish, flirting with 'the danger zone' on occasion, which gets them on the podium if they don't crack.
Also, Bob is a big fan of getting maps on the course. This is an advantage for strong navigators since teams have to use the map alone to make quick route decisions without Google Earth, extra maps or local hints.
BTW... in that pic above, Bob looks like he's about to be interviewed by a naked female Klingon sportcaster... it's like "I'm a little startled, but hmmn, let's see where this is going?!" :-)
Added to list of things I'm afraid to google: "naked female klingon sportscaster"
Good grief this is exciting! Can't wait for the start!
I agree about getting maps on the course is a good thing. Rewards good navigators and I've never liked the luck factor that some teams might get different course information from their research. Plus it reduces pre-race stress. Wooooo! Almost go-time!
2 Breathe articles from LosDobos about Stage 4, the mangrove paddle, are fascinating. AND...this section is a score-o, right? Totally awesome to see how teams will use the tides to make route choices.
Am I the only one who is pathologically rechecking the web, even before the race starts? I'm using mainly this site, the arcostarica site, and breathemag.
Fyi Costa Rica is in the Central Time Zone, i.e. it's the same time as Dallas and Chicago and one hour earlier than Toronto, New York, Atlanta, etc. So the race starts in just under 90 minutes.
We are currently lobbying for a bit more real estate on the live site, especially on the home page. FYI, the home page only shows the 4 latest posts from Breathe, so it's best if you click through to our live coverage site to see all the content. I would not be surprised to surpass 500 posts during the course of this race.
45 minutes to go...
And they're off! Kiss your next 7-10 days of productivity goodbye. ;)
Watching the Race
The live coverage site looks great. It ties together many sources of coverage including selected social media posts. For moderate AR fans, this site may be enough if it is kept updated throughout the race.
You'll want the tracking map open in a separate tab so you can see more detail.
See LosDobos' tips on using the tracking map here. In a subsequent post, he mentioned that the trackers appear to be updating every 20 minutes - something to keep in mind when you're wondering where teams are relative to one another.
Breathe Magazine (LosDobos, Leanimal, LaFemme) posts the most frequent commentary on the race but only their last few posts will be linked from the live coverage site. So you'll need another tab open to ensure you don't miss any of their excellent coverage.
Sleepmonsters and Endorphin Mag are also linked from the live coverage site. They tend to provide updates less frequently so you may be OK to just link to their newest stories as the titles appear on the live coverage site. But if you have room to open more tabs, here they are.
The official race Twitter feed is being updated regularly.
Depending on which team(s) you're interested in, there are various Facebook, Twitter and photo sites to watch - too many to mention here. Untamedadventur is working at Race HQ and may have some interesting comments from behind the scenes.
Legendaryrandy will post his photos here. Not sure if they'll also be posted on the live coverage site.
Any other good news sites I've missed here? If you read back through this thread, there are other links but the ones I've mentioned here seem to be providing up-to-date news.
While the racers are getting on the road, here is a pre-race interview with one of our Canadian teams: Untamed Canada / Clinique du Pied Equilibre. Hope you were all paying attention in French class.
And if you weren't, you might prefer this interview with Seagate instead. The best question: "Do you prefer cobra or crocodile?" (They are evenly split on that one.)
STAGE 1. STAGE 1
Discipline :: Mountain Bike (95 km)
Ascent :: 850 m
Descent :: 1822 m
The race will set off from the Talamanca mountain range between the Costa Rica & Panama borders. The start will be "Le Mans " style, with a 1 km run to the bike boxes where the teams will have to assemble their bikes. Once riding, they follow the border on a rocky dirt road. This area mainly inhabited by the Boruca Indigenous tribe and is dedicated to producing coffee, bananas and African palms. Teams will enjoy a 1000 metre descent to sea level. However, once they have reached the low lands they will need to navigate carefully though the palm oil plantations and abandoned railroad tracks.
Teams will be starting on the Panama border and making their way towards the Golf of Dulce. Looks like they will avoid the Pan American Hwy which is definitely a good thing.
Let the speculating begin. Just an hour in and it appears teams are already splitting up. Top ranked teams like Seagate, Colombia, Merrell Adv Addicts are headed towards #617 while AXA, Adidas Terrex and Haglofs Silva are headed to the road which runs along the border. I've spent 10 days driving around parts of Costa Rica and although it has changed a bit in the few years I've been there I can say for sure that most main roads aren't anything like roads were are used to so the side roads will likely be very very rugged. Probably easier to ride a bike on then a car though!
And just like that Tecnu, Thule, Mtn Hardware join the other group of teams heading towards Route 617. BMS Multisport has gone the border route.
Anyon know if the Panama/Costa Rica border has a road along it, just a dirt track? The satellite map is really fuzzy.
Pretty sure it would just be a dirt track. Interesting to see the difference in starting times. Tecnu was 2nd out of the gate but it shows teams like Seagate were 18 minutes behind. Is it possible they just spent more time looking at their recently acquired maps/route choices.
It appears that most of the teams who started off along the border are now cutting across to Route 617. The last update shows Seagate in the early lead cruising down the "road".
One of the local teams has just left Route #617 to head in towards the "yellow" route before turning south on Route 237. It appears to be a 200m crossing.
What's up with Dark Horse? Penalty perhaps? There was a mention on Sleepmonsters about a team with a missing back-up GPS device.
If anyone is using Google Maps and finding it too fuzzy, AdrianM suggested using Bing - Aerial view. Much much more detail zoomed in!
Dark Horse's tracker hasn't updated since 22:16. They're probably somewhere in the pack with a tracker that isn't pointed the right way to see the sky.
Doesn't sound like any DNS.
From Sleepmonsters -
The last teams took almost 45 minutes to get going, but once they were on their way Race Director Pongo Baker could not stop smiling. “I have to pinch myself,” he said, “the race is finally underway after we have worked so hard for 2 years. I’m so happy.”
[Note, a few teams were issued with 1 hour penalties for not having a back up GPS device – though I am not sure who yet.}
Sounds like there was some confusion at the start as teams were looking for their maps but the RD had placed them under their bike boxes.
From Sleepmonsters -
The teams raced the kilometre back up the road to find their bike boxes which were stacked under the palm trees beside a small farm. Now the chaos began. Teams had to unpack and assemble their bikes, and also find their maps, which had been left with the boxes, before setting off on the first cycling stage. (Although they did know the first two CP’s as those were on the sample map they were given at the briefing ).
It was a pressured situation which the organisers had created, and a soon there were bikes, wheels, boxes, helmets and frames everywhere. The teams quickly set to their task, some more quickly than others, and Seagate quickest of all. They had not run too hard up the hill and arrived in the bike box area in mid pack, but showed just how slick they are at transitions and left first. Thule Adventure were quick too, but they ran to the marshals to ask where their maps were, only to be told they were under the bike boxes. “It’s very confusing!” was all Stu Lynch could say.
Based on the last update, Seagate has ventured into Panama. Not sure that is allowed but will be interesting to see if they quickly come back across the border.
If this is allowed then it's a lot more direct route to get to the suggested route to the south.
It's been over 1 hour for Dark Horse and Got No Sleep, plus their "update" is in the future. I'm thinking it's a couple of DNS's. Either that or 2 broken trackers and those two team are out on the bikes without any tracking. If that's the case then they should be able to get working trackers somewhere down the line, presumably at the kayak transition.
Interesting... As per LosDobos, Dark Horse's tracker is set for 22:16 tonight, i.e. 6 hours in the future, which is Greenwich Mean Time, for what that's worth. Another team, Get No Sleep, is in the same boat. I suspect a software / settings issue.
I talked with Molly (Dark Horse) last night and at that point they were definitely starting. Hoping is just a tracker issue.
Thanks for the updates so far guys, very helpful for those without tracker access.
Amazing mangrove pics!
Lead teams are only a few kms from CP4. Seagate and Merrell Adventure Addicts are going along the Panama-Costa Rica border while the others are approaching on the "yellow" route. Looks like Seagate's route choice might pay off.
It's hard to tell if there is a dirt road along the border or if it's a small river. When you zoom in on Bing there appear to be quite a few structures so have to be accessible somehow.
Instead of heading straight to CP4 along the border, Seagate has turned and started heading toward the other teams. There must be another CP they need to pick up as an out-and-back before continuing on the road to CP4. They are within 1-2 kms of the other lead teams.
Small little tidbit.
In nearby San Vito, the sun currently sets at approx 5:11 PM local time and it rises at 5:32 am. Teams can anticipate around 11.5 hours of daylight.
Hoping there isn't a problem as I just noticed that Untamed Canada have fallen back of the peleton and have only a few teams behind them.
Update on teams #47 & #61. It is an issue with their tracking equipment as reported by HQ on Twitter. Everything is okay with the teams and they are working on fixing the problem.
Is there a way to turn on tracked history on the map?
Tracking is apparently down. That would explain why no one has moved in a while! :)
Yeah, I'm also trying to follow our friends on Bones who had a good start. But they are frozen too.
Does anyone know if Panama was allowed or not? I'm referencing Los Dobos' article and Seagate, and Merrell too it seems.
Don't know about Panama rule.
Good to know about teams 47 and 61 - thanks.
If you click on a team in the list, it brings up their route history complete with breadcrumbs.
Tracking is def a software issue, happened a few times during XPD, usually fixed within minutes of them being notified.
Does anyone know if the maps given to the teams will be made available online by the race director?
CheersSA - Welcome to AP! LosDobos is getting a copy of the maps which he is going to share with us but he's yet to receive them. I know he's as anxious as the rest of us.
What the?? Teams have moved less then 2 km in the past 2 hours. From Bing Maps it doesn't look like too tough of terrain but the weather must be really bad.
DD, FYI here.com
looks to have decent satellite resolution for the area, for a different view from bing and google.
Okay here goes my first guestimate on rankings so far as teams close in or pass through CP4 (7 hours into day #1).
Edited to include Colombia Vidaraid..oops.
2. Colombia Vidaraid (missed on first update)
3. Adidas Terrex
4. Mountain Hardware
6. Banano de Costa Rica
8. Haglofs Silva
11. AXA Adidas
14. Jeep Adventure Team
15. Ecuador Explorer
16. Bivouac Colts
**Completely a guess at time point because everyone's trackers register at different times.
Thanks Wilberto! I forgot about here.com!
Teams will treated to a nice downhill section after they ride through CP4. Thule appears to be stretching out their early lead.
I emailed family friends at their winter home near San Ysidro, CR as the race goes close to them and got this response:
"our neighbor is the one making the ‘Superman’ line where they go face down on a zip line hooked to the cable from their back. It is over 1 Km. and reaches speeds of 120 Kms! This neighbor is working the line 24 hours, day and night as the people come at different times. The Superman line is about 1/2 hr. from here. The whole family next door (including their triplet 7 yr. girls) are still at the mountain."
Sounds like a fun ride in store for racers!
Most of the teams are shown in Panama right now so either the map is off or it's not against the rules!
Thule is a few kms in front with a chase pack of about a dozen top teams including Seagate, Tecnu, Columbia Vidaraid, Adidas Terrex and Haglofs Silva.
Slice's team is looking good in the midpack. Untamed Canada is a little further back.
thanks DD11 for the updates! It's always a bit chaotic getting info, and it's so fun to wish I was there! or maybe not! the snakes would spook me
Very cool Wilberto. I watched a few videos of that zipline and it looks awesome! In the pre-race briefing they included the Superman Line to showcase it but teams won't be penalized if there is any bottleneck.
Thule is flying down towards the Pan-American Hwy. Lots of teams starting their descent behind them now. Looks like once teams cross the P-A Hwy they will be following fairly descent roads into the first TA which is good since they will be approaching midnight.
Which is scarier? Face down ziplining at 120 kph or a venomous snake. Hmm...
Great shot of the teams assembling their bikes after the Le Mans start.
For bigger size, click here.
Since there were a number of teams grouped together on my first guestimate, here is an edited rankings.
1. Thule (21:29)
2. Colombia Vidaraid (missed on first update) (21:39)
3. Quasarlontra (21:48)
4. Gearjunkie (21:#35)
5. Bones (21:37)
6. Sportovia (missed on first update) (21:32)
7. Salomon-Suunto (missed on first update) (21:31)
8. AXA-Adidas (21:37)
9. Mountain Hardware (21:44)
10. Banano de Costa Rica (21:33)
11. Selva Kailash (21:45) (missed on first update)
3. Adidas Terrex (21:24)
13. Trangoworld (21:22)
14. Hagofs Silva (21:29)
15. Tecnu (21:28)
16. Jeep Adventure (21:31)
17. Seagate (21:22)
Lots of variance between the times (about 25 minutes) so this is NOT a true reflection of the actual standings but a decent gauge where some of the top 15 teams stand.
"Which is scarier? Face down ziplining at 120 kph or a venomous snake. Hmm..."
Umm, no contest.
That heavy metal music might be the scariest Hammer! :)
Thule have now crossed over the Pan-American Hwy and are on last section of the first bike leg. From the crossing they have about 30km of backroads (mostly flat) till they hit the first TA (kayak).
Quick update as a few trackers have caught up. That top 8 looks very very familiar..missing a few key names but most are there.
1. Thule (21:49)
2. Tecnu (22:08)
3. Colombia Vidaraid (missed on first update) (21:59)
4. Adidas Terrex (22:04)
5. Seagate (22:02)
6. AXA Adidas (21:57)
7. Bones (21:57)
8. Gearjunkie (21:55)
9. Sportovia (missed on first update) (21:52)
10. Salomon-Suunto (missed on first update) (21:51)
11. Banano de Costa Rica (21:53)
12. Quasarlontra (21:48)
Interesting to see Thule veering from the "projected route" as they head south on Route #608. There is a smaller road which it looks like they will take to approach the TA from the south.
Great updates, thanks DD and everyone. From a big picture point of view, teams are pretty even for a first stage, though Thule showed they might have something more this race. I know, way too early, but I'm just trying to read the Turkish coffee grounds.
A look ahead at the 2nd leg of the race:
Discipline :: Sea Kayak (65 km)
Ascent :: 0 m
Descent :: 10 m
Starting in the Coto River, teams will make their way from the Coto River down to the ocean. To obtain the next CP, they will need to find a narrow path through a mangrove channel. At low tide teams will have the added difficulty of having to portage their boats to get to this CP. Once cleared they will paddle across one of the deepest gulfs in the world, Golfo Dulce, and if they are lucky see the Humpback whales and dolphins the gulf is a sanctuary for.
Several coastal hamlets reside along this enchanting gulf, namely Puerto Jiménez, Golfito, Zancudo and Pavones, as well as the Piedras Blancas National Park. This is one stop on the itinerary that won’t soon be forgotten.
From the web:
Easily one of the wettest and most humid sections in the country, Golfo Dulce and the southwest can receive more than 200 inches (500 cm) of rainfall per year. This assures the surrounding area will be thriving with wild and plant life, perfect for aspiring adventurers.
Surrounded by Corcovado National Park to the southwest, and Costa Rica’s mainland to the northeast, Golfo Dulce serves up a large platter of entertainment for all who visit. Sport fishers will be happy to know that deep sea fishing here, which is second to none, is available from Golfito and Puerto Jiménez. To the southeast of the gulf is where you will find two great surfing locales. The palm shaded beaches of Zancudo and Pavones supply great surfing for anybody looking to hit the waves.
Golfito, the region’s unofficial capital, is situated along a small inlet of Golfo Dulce. Surrounded by tropical rainforest, Golfito provides an ideal location to escape from your hectic schedule and experience all this area has to offer. Lodges, cabinas and deluxe accommodations are available to supplement any relaxing vacation to the region. A short trip across the gulf from Golfito will land you in Puerto Jiménez, gateway to Corcovado National Park. Here you’ll find plenty of places to stay, as well as restaurants and shops. One single highway (245) links these destinations by land, snaking its way around the calming Golfo Dulce from the Inter-Americana, until arriving in Carate along the southern coast of the peninsula.
Sprouting along the edges of the Golfo Dulce are mangroves and estuaries full of wildlife. Hop in a boat or kayak to explore these ecosystems crawling with crocodiles, river otters, waterfowl, monkeys and much more. Fed by the Coto Colorado River, the Coto River Swamps are an excellent choice for discovering these uncanny wetlands and the secrets that lay within.
Hagofs Silva just made a huge jump on the recent update so they are somewhere in the top 5-8 teams it appears.
I am curious to see if anyone continues South on #614 after crossing the Pan-America Hwy. It seems like a bit of a shortcut but so far no teams have ventured that way.
Hop in a boat or kayak to explore these ecosystems crawling with crocodiles...
!! If that's not enough adventure for you, here's more on Corcovado Park from Wikipedia.
- Malaria is not a concern in Corcovado, but Dengue fever is a possibility.
- Avoid swimming. The ocean tides in this area are extremely powerful, while crocodiles and bullsharks are present in both the Rio Claro and Rio Sirena. River crossings should be done quickly and carefully.
- Snakes. There are Fer de Lance and various other poisonous snakes here. Fer de Lance or Tercioepelo, as it is known locally, is most active at night commonly along stream beds.
- Nature's defenses. Be careful of trees covered by thorns, spines, or ants.
- Peccaries Also know as Javelinas. There are two different species of peccaries in Corcovado, the Collared and the White-lipped Peccary. They run in packs and can be very aggressive. If threatened by a group of peccaries, climb a tree until you are six feet or higher off the ground.
Interesting route choices for teams after crossing the P-A Hwy. Some teams are following the suggested route while teams like Seagate, Adidas Terrex and AXA Adidas have found a smaller less distinct road to try and cut some distance off.
Looks like the alternate route worked OK for Thule.
Thule first to the TA at 11:09 pm local time while lots of other teams are close to finishing the last section of the bike leg. Lots of different route choices so will be interesting to see who comes in where.
#1 Thule 8:52 to complete leg #1
Good work! Seems that the official Twitter feed is providing regular news so I'm adding it to the list I posted above when the race started. Amongst other things, it mentions rain tonight. It also mentions a racer with an injured ligament on Team 67 after a bike fall. The leaderboard shows them as continuing unranked.
Geez, I look away from the tracking map for a short while, and see what happens...
Looks like teams are going to be coming into the TA right away... AXA Adidas is now in second, and they updated times:
Thule - 23:29
AXA-adidas - 23:39
They all look so close still!! Wonder how long that will last.
OK Californians, it's bedtime here so we're counting on you to keep an eye on this race for us! :)
The tracker delays are driving me nuts. First Tecnu is up the road, behind the main pack, now they are back in the mix. And Columbia should be right nearby, but seem far out of position. We'll have to rely more on spotters' reports if the race stays tight and the trackers continue to have this delay.
Afsheen, leaderboard has Tecnu in the TA right after Seagate in 6th place. Only 39mins behind 1st place! The team has been kayaking like mad this year, so they should do well on these stages. Awesome start for Tecnu! I know they're going to be psyched to be right there with Seagate.
Off to bed for me!
It seems like they are keeping an up-to-date leaderboard. Placement, coming into CP 6 and the first transition:
Edit: they changed their leaderboard, so I changed my list to reflect. But I'm not calculating the time differentials again...
I'm awake again, but going back to sleep soon. Posted a slew of updates on Breathemag.ca
They changed the leaderboard again, and put Seagate second this time. I think I'll sleep and let the race org continue to refine their operation. At least they're trying to keep the leaderboard current. I hope they can continue to do that through the race.
Los Dobos, maybe you can help me out here.
Tracking system is working well, but the interface isn't so easy to follow. This is a relative term as we are currently spoilt compared to what used to be standard.
You talk of breadcrumbs, I can't activate this(using chrome browser)
If you click on a team in the list(from leaderboard, right hand pane or general drop down from the banner?), it brings up their route history complete with breadcrumbs.http://ar.attackpoint.org/discussionthread.jsp/mes...
How are you seeing the exact CP placements, very hard to see where you can deviate from the suggested route.
Good morning everyone!!
LosDobos just reported this too but Seagate has passed Thule in the open waters of Gulf of Dulce. They can probably see each other? Haglofs Silva a little ways back and they might be within visual contact too.
Then there is a chase pack of Columbia Vidaraid, Quasarlontra, Tecnu, and AXA-adidas. Seems like everyone else is still working their way through Golfito Bay.
I am using Firefox, and for me if I click on the team name in the team list it opens a popup window which shows that teams track, complete with breadcrumbs. If that persists in not working for you, then I suggest you download and use Firefox, although I can't imagine why it wouldn't work with Chrome.
I am not able to see the CPs except for the ones that they show us on the maps. I can infer the presence of CPs depending on the route. For example, if you pull up Merrell's breadcrumbs you can see where CP3 is shortly before the top of the climb.
We STILL haven't got the promised maps from the race, but are working on a backup workaround. Stay tuned. We will have race maps if it kills us.
just tested the breadcrumbs with Chrome, IE and Firefox. All appears to work as LosDobos says.
Can I quote you out of context on that? I like the ring of "All appears to work as LosDobos says." :)
Looks like a lot more teams are taking the shortcut to get out of the 'Golfito bay' with a small portage. Suppose daylight helps both in seeing it, and not having to hug the coastline for navigation. The bay looks incredibly wild, so probably no shorelights to navigate off in the dark.
ok, it was me asking about the breadcrumbs, glad to see the sun has come up that side of the atlantic.
I've got all three browsers loaded on my computer so am feeling a little bit stupid to have to ask again! What team list are you referring too?
- the teamlist/leaderboard directly below the tracking map
- the standalone teamlist under leaderboard option
- the teamlist under teams option
None of these have a hyperlink, or floating window when I hover over them. I also don't have a pop up blocker installed.
get onto the tracking map page by clicking the Tracking menu item between Home and Leaderboard. In the top right corner of the map will be an orange running man icon. Click it and it will open the team list. Click on any team name in this list to see the route with breadcrumbs.
shebeen - that's not infact a shortcut, its a narrow channel that they have to take in order to pick up a CP. Not sure if it's navigable at full ebb tide but most teams look like they've been able to paddle through it. Switch to satellite view and zoom in to see the channel.
Methinks he's referring to the shortcut portage when exiting Golfito Bay - teams #2 and #22 have just taken it now.
Ahhhhh, the orange running man. thank you for returning my sanity.
The shortcut I'm referring to is a bit later, just before they enter the Gulf of Dulce itself proper. Now that I can use the breadcrumbs, it's much better. Looking at yogaslackers, they've just skipped this bit at 06:48. I mention them because they took a rather interesting route between at 04:35 (hard to tell as breadcrumbs are far apart, probably overshot the entrance to the river).
ok, got it wrt the shortcut. my bad.
sometimes the tracker will fail to reach the satellite on one or more of its attempts, and then you get breadcrumbs that are far apart. What this means is that we know nothing of the route between those two temporally distant points: the tracker just draws a straight line from one to the other. It's like the uncertainty principle: the better we know their velocity, the less well we know their position, and vice-versa. There's your Tuesday morning quantum physic for ya.
Lovin these updates! Thanks for everyone keeping us uodated (especially for those, like me, that can't watch as close during work :)) Go Tecnu!!
Hope there are some Europeans, Africans and Australians here who can keep the commentary going during the Costa Rican night. Even LosDobos needs to sleep sometimes. ;)
Looks like Thule is keeping it pretty close behind the leader Seagate. Here is my updated guestimate based on the last update.
1. Seagate (9:02) ~12km to 2nd TA
2. Thule (9:02) ~500m behind Seagate
3. Hagofs Silva (8:54) ~3km behind Thule
4. Quasarlontra (9:09) ~3km behind 3rd
5. Tecnu (8:53) ~500m behind 4th
6. Colombia Vidaraid (8:48) ~in pack close to 4th
7. AXA Adidas (9:06) ~in pack close to 4th
8. Adidas Terrex (9:06) ~3km behind 7th place
9. Sportovia (9:13) ~2.5km behind 8th place
10. Bones (8:59) likely just ahead of Sportovia
11. Merrell (8:59) ~1km behind 10th
12. Selva (9:06) paddling close to Merrell
13. BMS (8:52) likely paddling close to Merrell/Selva
14. Banano (8:54) ~1km behind 13th
15. Trangoworld 8:57) paddling close to Banano
Followed by about 12 teams which are anywhere from 5-10km back.
**Once again this is just a guestimate as trackers are all updating at different times.
Great update from Breathe Mag's onsite reporter Leanimal -http://www.breathemag.ca/flashblog/2013/12/03/live...
"I am going to just rant here and you can make lovely sentences if you like. Soon tired, but you probably are too.
Hot race start in a field across from a school near the Panama border.
Surround by coffee trees
Teams arrived about 2 hours before race start and had food while huddling together in the shade lining the field
The Le Mans start saw some teams sprinting off the start line while veterans and the top teams in the world trotted along quite comfortably.
Seagate was somewhere around mid pack. Minutes later though they were the first to leave the TA.
After finding some pollo at a roadside stand we were able to catch up with the teams just after CP 5
We waited with some local kids and asked them repeatedly if there were many snakes around. Si si. And then they proceeded to walk ahead in bare feet. They were enamoured by our headlamps and insisted on coming with us down the trail to see the teams coming. After over an hour of waiting we returned to their village so they could play With their friends again.
We headed back down the trail to see Thule coming by about 31 minutes ahead of Columbia.
Next came a Brazilian team and then a pack that included Tecnu, Adidas Terrex, Axa, and about 4 or 5 other teams.
By the next CP and TA1 Thule, seagate and Silva were all in the TA.
Teams chose different routes to get there. Again Seagate was in and out while other teams took quite a while to get organized and Mikael from AXA had a hell of a time getting his bike shoe off. A bike shoe that we had a discussion about being brand new on the start line. He commmented that all of the training trashes his gear so he had to get new shoes.
That's it for tonight since I am exhausted but you should have the maps in your hotmail account and I sent them to Joel too. I have pics and want to post them but Flickr won't work. I am going to make a FB album just so you can get them"
With the lead teams approaching Stage #3 let's see what's waiting for them. There aren't any remote Cps between TA2 and TA3 so teams will likely have different route choices in this section.
STAGE 3. STAGE 3
Discipline :: Trek (27 km)
Ascent :: 960 m
Descent :: 985 m
The first trek of the race will present to teams the pristine rain forests and rugged natural beauty of the Osa Peninsula, one of the most beautiful areas in Costa Rica. Teams trek West across the entire peninsula and finish this leg on the North side, near Drake Bay. This bay was named after Sir Francis Drake in the 16th century, and believed to be the location of one of the British pirate's fabled hidden treasures.
The National Geographic magazine described the Osa Peninsula as "the most biologically intense place on earth". It is one of the last places in Costa Rica to be settled and has only had road access within the last 10 years.
From the web -
Sounds like quite the muddy hike-a-bike in sections of the first bike leg.
From Sleepmonsters -
As a foggy dawn broke Transition One was busy with teams preparing to set off on the first paddling stage. By this stage the transition field was awash with mud and the mosquitoes were massing and biting, but as teams rode in (coming along the road from both directions), they didn’t care, they were just glad to have arrived!
It had been a long, hard first night of the race, and the competitors and their bikes were caked in mud after the overnight rains. It sounds like the teams did miss the worst of the deluge, which left the roads a foot deep in water in places nearer the coast, but they did encounter some rain. “It wasn’t too bad,” said Wendy Fjellstad of Team Peaklife Sport, “we had some rain and put our jackets on, but it wasn’t cold. It was the mud which was the problem.”
Her team mate Karl Webster was more forthright. “I’m not sure whose idea of a joke that was,” he said, “we carried the bikes for hours and the muddy gullies were horrendous – I’m sure no one has ever ridden some of those trails before – they were not meant for mountain biking!”
At the time this team were deciding whether to wash the bikes or leave them, but most took them down to the river to wash off.
In transition at the same time were the La Ruta Landrover team with ‘the Italian adventure racer’, Marco Ponteri (he is usually the only one at big races like this). He was with the team representing ‘La Ruta’ perhaps the world’s premier endurance mountain bike race, which crosses Costa Rica coast to coast, and race founder Roman Urbina is on the team.
He was busy dismantling his bike in the mud and commented, “I didn’t really enjoy carrying my bike for 5 hours – you should ride a bike not carry it! As you can see we are not really adventure racers – we are mountain bikers pretending to be adventure racers!”
Team Dark Horse from the USA were busy sorting their gear, and discussing why the kayak gear box was not at this transition, which it isn’t apparently! “It’s just another one of those little challenges,” said Tom Smith. He was talking to Molly Houseman who is on her first long adventure race. This a quite a race to start with!
“The mud and carrying was crazy,” she said, “there was one place where there must have been about 50 people queuing to get down a slot canyon of mud in single file, and everyone was helping each other out. We did get wet for a while, it went from fog to mist to rain to a downpour.” This is a team with some experience of Costa Rica as both Smith and David Darby have done all 4 Costa Rica Adventure Races, but after that night Smith said, “Pongo is off my Christmas list now, he’s not getting a card!” (Pongo is the nickname of the Race Director.)
There was no let up for the teams either as they all had to drag their heavy bike boxes through the mud across to the truck and pump up their own kayaks, which took a while. Once that was done they could slide down the muddy bank into the water of the Rio Coto Colorado. They would follow this for some distance out into the delta and onto the ocean, but even at the put in position it was broad and fast flowing.
The leaders had passed through this transition much earlier, moving an hour quicker than the predicted race time, despite the weather. Thule Adventure had made a break and were chased into transition by Columbia Vidaraid , quickly followed the rest of the top teams. Near CP5 on the ride there had been 14 teams all together in the chasing pack, and even by TA1 the first 12 teams came in within an hour of each other.
Seagate and Haglofs Silva were particularly quick in transition and as teams set off onto the ocean it was the 3 most successful squads of recent years, Thule Adventure, Seagate and Haglofs Silva leading the way, but the chasers were not far behind.
I'm really curious how much quicker Thule and Seagate are in their transitions compared to other teams! With about 11 transitions one could loose or gain 2 to 3 hours.
It would be better if the team trackers would just reset at the same time, I think.
no doubt about it afsheen - that's how it was at XPD: they all updated every 15 minutes on the hour. It was sweet.
Latest guestimate as lead teams get to CP11/TA2
1. Seagate (11:43) -Likely getting ready to depart TA2 to trek
2. Thule (11:43) 2nd to check in at TA not too far behind leaders
3. Hagofs Silva (11:34) At TA2
4. Tecnu (11:41) - Getting close to end of paddle in a group with next two teams
5. Quasarlontra (11:30) - in small pack with Tecnu and Colombia
6. Colombia Vidaraid (11:29) ~in pack close to 4th
7. AXA Adidas (10:47) Tracker hasn't updated for an hour but likely just behind 6th
8. Adidas Terrex (11:47) Only a few kms from end of paddle.
10. Bones (11:39) ~1km behind 8th
11. Merrell (11:40) paddling well and just behind Bones for 10th
12. BMS (11:35) ~1km behind Bones/Merrell
13. Selva (11:26) paddling with Salomon-Suunto
14. Salomon-Suunto (11:34) - paddling with Selva
15. Sportovia (11:33) - Appear to have lost some ground since last update.
16. Banano (11:54) Fallen off a bit and trail 15th by ~1km
17. Bivouac Colts (11:58) ~ 1km behind 16th
18. Toyota (11:43) - paddling with Bivouac
19. Gearjunkies (11:33) ~1km behind 18th
20. Mountain Hdwre (11:26) just ahead of Opavanet
Trangoworld has fallen out of the top 20 after sitting in 15th place on last update.
Untamed Canada's tracker hasn't updated since 7:44 am local time so it will be interesting to see where they are after 4.5hrs.
A few other teams who are likely further than they are showing on the tracker are:
Great Langdale Bunkhouse - last update 6:27am local time
Endurance Ecuador - last update 10:02am
Jeep Adventure Team - last update 10:34am
AXA Adidas - last update 10:47am
Untamed has updated... look to be just ahead of Slice o' Phatty
Garret (Team Tecnu) was telling me pre-race the kayaks are 50lbs...pretty sure this trek leg they are responsible for lugging that weight to the next put in. :P
Plus sails, seats, pump etc.
no, just their paddling gear. their kayaks will be transported to CP12. From there they have a 10 km portage to CP13 where they can put in.
Slice o'Phatty. These are getting creative. :)
According to the official twitter account the teams do need to trek with their kayaks...but, Peter has also asked them about that on the same account. Let us know what you find out!
just got photo of the race instructions for that section. Kayaks only portaged from 12 to 13, not from 11 to 12.
But they still carry paddles and everything else, right? Sounds like a fun night ahead!
The race just posted a short summary video of Day 1...but it seems of very low quality. Unless that's just my setting...
Looks like all road 'run' from 11-12 and 12-13. Better than carrying crap through the bush I suppose
Thule just had a huge hike/run and overtook seagate, completing the first trek 31 mins fast than their counterparts.
It's also amazing that the top 5 teams in the world occupy the top five spots in the race right now!
just had a chance to check out the tracking map. Looks like Columbia is having a good trek, getting some space between them and Tecnu. And though Thule pushed the trek and came in first per escondido, Seagate left sooner. Dang, they are consistent. Bones coming in strong in 8th. Not sure what happened with Quasarlontra's tracker, it's hours behind, as they should be in the mix further up. I can't quite figure out where Yogaslackers are as I'm getting mixed signals from the tracker vs the breadcrumbs window. But they should be past the TA I would think, based on past reports. So much racing has gone on, but so much more racing left!
The leaderboard is updated now. Are those times out of TA's?
Found the Yogaslackers. 13th maybe, currently between 11 and 12.
“Boats, they are more like barges,” said Bob Miller of Tecnu. “Seriously they are terrible and I think the fastest we made was 6k an hour. Everything is sore after sitting for 12 hours. As the team struggled to deflate and roll the boats I asked Garrett Bean it they had used their sails at all, and he said, “Not at all!” I think all the teams have bought them, but it is not often sails give a big advantage. Teams don’t want to give any advantage to their competitors however, and there is a lot more paddling to do on the race, so they might yet play their part.
Kyle Peter was looking forward to sleeping tonight though he knew foul tides might mean they couldn't and Bob Miller was already feeling how tough the course is. “These were supposed to be the smoother legs,” he said, “and so far it’s been brutal. I don’t think many teams will finish.”
Slice o Phatty? I was thinking PhatLander/ Turboslice.
Thanks for the updates, guys!
simpy, where did you get those quotes from Tecnu from? Mind if I post on the Tecnu FB page? Just want to give reference....
I thought the quote came from a Sleepmontsters.com storu
And it's not just Tecnu. Adidas Terrex feels the same way.
“That was too long,” said Nick Gracie. Warren Bates chipped in, “No, the boats were too slow, they are designed for floating down rivers, not use on flat water.”
A lot of us here have had to paddle Tomcats, and I'm sure we're all sending our deepest sympathies to the racers.
It is interesting that the top teams are sounding so beaten up this early in the race. It doesn't bode well for the teams further back.
Teams are definitely getting spread out now...going into the second night, it's going to be a tough race to finish.
They were estimating 15-30 hours for leg 4. With the tides, the tough nav, and teams starting to get fatigued, I wonder if that is a low estimate.
Teams arrived to TA 2 looking *WORKED* and I thought the same thing. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=2212433447224...
shows Jari Kirkland 80% of the way through the first paddle.
The projected time for the 55 km mangrove paddle is 15-30 hours. Between the tides, the complex nav and the darkness, I wonder how many teams will take longer. I'll bet a few teams end their race here. It sure looks like a vortex!
Looks like Runninghils, Untamedadventur and I had the same thought at the same time!
Merrell seem to be making a nice climb up the leader board, matching Thule on the paddle split and catching up on all other teams, except Seagate who were clear by 1hr on the paddle...
Thule is about to enter the first mangrove channel en route to CP14. The tide is just 90 minutes past its lowest point - what are they seeing? Mud? Root systems? Paddle-able water? Possibilities are endless!
Seagate's tracker hasn't updated in 2 hours. They are showing still on the portage, about 2-3km away from where the tracking map shows paddling can begin.
Tecnu is about 1km behind Seagate but their tracker hasn't updated in 1hr.
Merrell AA continues their amazing comeback and is tracking 1.5-2km behind Tecnu. Their last update was 30min ago.
Haglofs behind Merrell probably within visual distance, but their tracker hasn't updated in 2hrs either.
No tracker updates for a long time from Seagate, Haglofs Silva or Tecnu. I wonder if they decided to sleep before the paddle, given that neither tides nor daylight are in their favour, and they're coming into their 2nd night. Thule's tracker is updating; they're making progress on the water - if any Tomcat paddle can be called "progress".
Agreed, Silkychrome. I'm interested to see what Thule's tracker does next. Can they get in there?
A nice bunch of paddling photos from Legendaryrandy's Facebook page. I'm not sure if everyone can see them...?
A photo of the Sierpe Mangroves tweeted by race organizers. It's the largest mangrove reserve in Latin America.
Thanks Bash. I may have nightmares of that pic this evening.
We've put a similar section in Wilderness Traverse 2014. ;)
Merrell Adventure Addicts and Haglofs Silva were together half an hour ago. They're both in the top 5 but since we haven't seen an update from Seagate or Tecnu in a long time, we don't know whether Merrell has moved up or Silva has moved down.
Thule is moving up that mangrove channel.
Team Tecnu looked pretty fresh coming off the loooooooong 27km gravel road trek. (Leanimal and I hiked a portion until we got sidetracked by fresh coffee and it was stinking hot and it gott old pretty fast). Getawaystix was rocking his sweet oversized Trimtex pants too!
Comments included "nothing has been easy so far and that was suppose to be the easier sections..." and "just finishing this race will be a huge accomplishment"
Tecnu is doing well and they are about 10 + hours off their anticipated time to arrive at T4...so there's some indication of the course so far.
Time fort sleep....
A note from the race. It sucks being in the media bus.I will end up mostly seeing TAs. It is what it is.I am post most of my videos on the Breathe blog,http://www.breathemag.ca/flashblog/category/arwc-2...
Finding internet can be tough. The Race organization is doing what they can. For now I am just putting my pics on my Facebook page. http://www.facebook.com/randy.ericksen/photos_albu...
In your spare time, of course.
Tecnu's tracker just updated about an hour behind Merrell/Silva/Columbia - they must have taken some sleep? This puts Merrell/Silva/Columbia in joint 3rd at the moment - go Saffas! :)
Merrel Adventure Addicts* have had a real see saw race already, they took the eastern loop with seagate on the first bike to be effectively leading. got a bit lost finding the CP and came into TA1 in 21st place. paddled across the sound to 11th place, and have now moved into an effective 3rd place on the trek/portage/paddle section. Big gap up to the leading 2 but lots still to happen.
*disclaimer, there will be serious bias towards our south african team whilst north america sleeps.
So the muddy waters of those mangrove swamps have just become a little clearer:
Seagate had in fact stopped to sleep at midnight and have just started moving again after about 4h of shut-eye
This puts Thule waaay ahead, but without any sleep yet – they are currently taking a massive back-track as they probably ran into a dead-end channel and were unable to reach the CP. This is going to cost them a few hours and may let the other teams catch up again (unless of course they make the same mistake or the tides change)
Merrell seems to have taken a wrong turn (looking for a CP perhaps?) but are now back on track and moving with Seagate in joint 3rd
Silva have gapped Merrell (and Seagate while they were sleeping) and are now a few km up the channel in 2nd place.
So the only team in the top 4 that have gotten any sleep is Seagate (unless they were also lost for those 4 hours and not tracking).
Thule is backtracking, looks like they are attempting an alternate route to CP17 as the tide goes out.
Wrong turns in those boats may turn out to be very costly. Thankfully Merrel are making progress again, and don't seem to have lost too much time looking for CP15, they actually look to be in contact with Silva/Seagate now... 3hrs to low tide, not looking great, I wonder if there will be any 'forced rest' if only in daylight.
Thule got CP16 about 0317. Then they spent 1hr trying to move directly towards CP17, eventually bailing on the route and backtracking 1hr to the main channel, arriving there about 0530. Now they have to paddle the around route to CP17. The tide is in the middle of its ebb, but the main channel should be paddle-able since it's so wide. http://www.breathemag.ca/flashblog/wp-content/uplo...
The interesting thing is that even though Thule essentially wasted 2hrs, they are so far ahead of the other teams that no one saw them re-emerge into the main channel so i bet plenty of other teams will try to go directly 16-17.
i'm not sure how much sleep seagate got - they took 8 hours to do a section that merrel and thule did in 3. really hard to tell from the breadcrumbs, but they did spend about 2 hours looking for what could be CP14 same spot that thule left the channel (at about midnight). according to los dobos maps that would have been a bit early (columbia have also gone off west there now) merrell also bushwacked there.
I'm not sure why Thule backtracked after getting 16 to go around, if you look at the tide table at 3:30-5am it was falling, and at the strongest flow so maybe they just couldn't paddle up the channel. they sure left it in a hurry to go round. if that is the case, then teams arriving at CP16 at 10/11am will have a freeride up to CP17
Also, it's Garret Bean's birthday today! Happy birthday! Here's your present, a bunch of sometimes-good-sometimes-bad muddy channels to paddle through! Oh, and you can lug around this slow heavy inflatable too!
I'm looking at the maps as posted with CPs on them.http://www.breathemag.ca/flashblog/2013/12/04/race...
I can't see any point in calling this a score event, even with tidal changes, i don't see any feasible options that don't just get the CPs in numerical order? anyone else got a different route?
14-15 obvious in order.
my only guess is you could go 17-16 if the tides are right, paddle around to 17 in the big channel, then attack 16 on an ebb tide, and proceed to 18-19??
i am really guessing on the tide thing. i have never paddled in an ocean!
it's like a big salty lake with reversing currents every 6 hours. good times
Hey everyone -- I'm physically on the ground at the race and I get a lot of great info from this Attackpoint thread. You're in a position to synthesize everything, like a crowd-sourced eye-in-the sky. So thanks!
Don't know the rules but is it maybe more of a rogaine section of the course where not all points are mandatory. This is not very common in ARWC events but occurs a lot in North American ARs. If this is the case many teams could paddle directly to the CP19 or maybe just get 14-15 and then go to 19. Both would probably save significant time and the hassle of having to deal with tides on some of the smaller channels.
Seagate just got to 16 at 828 and Merrel at 839. Curious to see how the attack 17 and if they decide to take the small channel can they make it. Seagate tracker should ping again in the next minute or so.
...and you can't drink salty water, no matter how much you purify it.
"water, water everywhere...but not a drop to drink"
Seagate, Merrrel and Silva all are attempting to go directly to 17. Can't blame them for trying but tide is as low as it gets. One would think they won't be able to make it through. We'll see.
Seagate is now at the point that Thule had to turn around. It will be interesting to see if they are able to keep going or have to take the same route Thule did over 4 hours ago? Does that timing make sense?
Seagate seems to have turned around. Merrell as well. Tecnu and Columbia should see them coming out as they approach and should know not to attempt.
Quasarlontra seems to be having trouble finding their way in a spot that seems to have given everyone trouble except Thule. I don't think Tecnu got any sleep here or at all. Not sure if the trackers are not that accurate and when people stop to sleep it jumps around or if they are actually getting lost here. It looks like there are a couple channels to follow here so getting lost is definitely feasible. Especially since everyone is doing it in the same spot, just before 14.
Does look like Seagate got some sleep and they may have been the only ones to do so in the top 6. They just happened to stop just as they made a wrong turn.
Exciting! Looks like the 2nd through 6th place teams might have a little reunion in the middle of the main channel, saving Tecnu and Columbia the trouble of paddling up the dead-end channel.
This could be perfect timing... for Tecnu, Vidaraid
Especially given Thule turned back right at peak tide.
now there's a mini-race between Seagate/Merrell/Haglofs and Tecnu/Columbia. Seagate has turned around after getting stuck between 16 and 17, and I'm pretty sure Merrell and Haglofs will do the same shortly. will those three teams make it to the main channel and out of sight before Tecnu/Columbia get there to attack 16?
the tide was at its lowest about 1hr ago, and is rising now.
agree w mayer22 on the sleep thing, doesn't look like there has been much resting going on in the top 6. even on 2 full nights' sleep my head is spinning keeping track of routes/breadcrumbs/tides.
When I went to bed last night, the tracks for Silva, Tecnu and Seagate had not updated for an hour or two, and they were all near the put-in. I wondered if they had snuck in some sleep then. Like Silkychrome, I'm going cross-eyed on the breadcrumbs. The tracker might jump around a little while they sleep, which is hard to distinguish from normal adventure racing. :)
90% sure Seagate got some sleep
Also amazing to see that the gap the top 6 teams have created in this tide. If Tecnu and Colombia can get up to CP16 quickly then back behind Seagate/Haglofs Silva, it could make it very interesting on the last third of this paddle especially if some had sleep while others didn't.
Haglofs Silva is backtracking with Seagate. Looks like maybe Merrell didn't see them turn around because they were in a smaller side channel when the other teams went by. Merrell is still near the turnaround point.
Paddle, Bob, paddle! (Sorry, a bit of hometown bias here.)
Tecnu going to bump into Seagate at the fork!! :-)
Look at the cluster of 10-12 teams which appear to be "Tide-d out" from 7th place back. A few of the trackers haven't updated in an hour so they could be a little further then indicated.
Recent update has Tecnu in the channel passing Seagate! Let's see if they are able to get CP16 and turnaround.
YEAH!!!! Columbia has stopped but there is a definite party going on in the mangroves w Seagate/Haglofs outbound and Tecnu inbound. Merrell still mucking around on the direct route.
Yea does look like they got some sleep at the put in. Hard to tell with the breadcrumbs. Seagate seemed to have stopped right before 14 as well though.
Looks like Merrell stopped when they saw Seagate coming back and decided to sleep.
Passing Seagate and Silva is gonna be a huge confidence booster. Thule is way out in front though.
looks like tecnu blew right by Seagate (going the other way) in a narrow channel?!?!
Maybe they are having a picnic together and 'catching up' on recent events :-)
Don't see that Columbia stopped. They should see Tecnu coming out if they don't see Seagate/Silva
This is when we need one of those mini-drone helicopters with a GoPro.
Meanwhile in the front of the pack and on no sleep in almost two days Thule is in the last section of the mangroves. It appears they have about 12km left of paddling to go.
As a reminder, here is the map with CP16 that Tecnu and Columbia still need to visit. (Thank you LosDobos and Craig Bycroft.)
In the big chase pack behind 6th Aerodiva has made a slight push ahead and is now alone in 7th place. Not familiar with that team so good on them for pushing through as they were 21st at the last TA.
Just as I posted Adidas Terrex joined Aerodiva in the battle for 7th.
Thanks everyone for all the great updates. I'm just tuning into the race after some time spent away from technology.
Based on the times of how that all worked out I don't see how Tecnu could have gotten past Seagate and Silva without passing them going opposite directions?
Very anxious to see Tecnu's next update after 10:33... and Vidaraids
hope it's quick... gotta get back to real life :-)
There are 3 teams who have officially withdrawn.
- 67 Ríos y Canoas Colombia (teammate injured a ligament in an early bike accident)
- 26 La Ruta - Land Rover
- 23 Trópico Extremo
Canadian team Epic Endurance (15) is a bit of a mystery. They were on the first kayak section yesterday afternoon, then their tracker disappeared until it showed up at TA4 this morning. Then it tracked several times between TA4 and TA2. They are now trekking along the road from TA2 with their paddling gear.
I felt bad reading Epic Endurance's team page because at one point they were listed as first place and some of their friends and family woke up to see this and got really excited. If they were following Breathe or AP they would have known!
Thanks Bash... makes sense now.... they still have to go up and back, they just (presumably) won't waste time trying to push through.. I think....
I hadn't looked at that map :-)
At 10:33, Tecnu still had to go up the channel about 1.5 km further to get CP16 so we won't see them turn around on the next track, I don't think.
(Not that it stops me from hitting refresh!)
DD11, do we know what happened to Epic Endurance? Their diversion seems pretty big - and specific - for a mere tracker snafu.
Epic lost their tracking device in the Gulfo Dulce; a new device was initialized near TA 4 -- where I am -- which inadvertently triggered the geo-fencing logic to award them the CP visit to TA 4. I think that's all been backed out OK now, and most importantly the new tracker has been connected with the Epic racers and they're now back to tracking normally.
Epic lost their tracker in the Gulf during the 1st paddle. they had a replacement delivered to them at T2.
Okay thanks for the updated Untamed!! How's the weather and spirit of the racers in general? Crazy to look at the overall race course and see how little they really have covered in two days.
A quick check on the breadcrumbs and it appears Thule has about a 5 hour lead over second place Seagate as they were in the same area at 5:37 am local time. That said, we're pretty sure Seagate has banked some sleep while Thule hasn't had any that we know of.
From Untamedadventur: Hey everyone -- I'm physically on the ground at the race and I get a lot of great info from this Attackpoint thread. You're in a position to synthesize everything, like a crowd-sourced eye-in-the sky. So thanks!
Although there are many places to "watch" the race, this is why I always love the AP thread. Contributions from people around the world in different time zones with a good understanding of maps and adventure racing, and experience with some of the racers. Nobody can watch the race all the time (not even LosDobos) so I love being able to catch up here first, then I check the Breathe Flashblog and tracking map - then the rest of the live coverage. Thanks, all!
It appears Tecnu is going to chance it and continue on to try to get CP17 directly. They will likely see Merrell up ahead. Hope for their sake the tide is higher and they can squeeze through the channel. Looking on Bing maps there doesn't seem to be much water even in higher tides.
It is brutally hot out. I'm in a shaded cafe here near the bridge spanning River Sierpe so we'll see lead teams come past with a final KM or so still to go to the TA. Thule maybe 60 mins away. I did a quick interview with ARWS Craig Bycroft - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=6947193038809...
- out in the sun on a dock, and it was sweltering. I think I'd need a gallon of sunblock to feel any measure of protection from the intensity of the sun.
Combine that with all the surrounding water is filled with crocodiles so that everyone is warned against swimming, and it's a recipe for some broiled adventure racers today. I'm getting sun-burned just considering it.
I last saw teams at TA 2 around dusk yesterday, the lead ~25 teams, and it looked like most underestimated the first paddle (or maybe overestimated those inflatable kayaks?). Most were in good spirits, though, glad to be moving on land for a bit. I'm guessing teams will arrive to TA 4 enthusiastic to ride their bikes for a bit.
Teams knew they were coming to the jungle for a race, though, so didn't sense any "shock & awe" from any teams I saw yesterday.
@Grant, the ranking for Epic Endurance needs to be fixed on the leaderboard. Instead of 18th, they would be 45th, I think?
Thanks for sharing that good info about race conditions! :)
Great update Grant! Thanks for the real-time update from the course! It will be interesting to see if Thule stops to re-charge at the TA for a bit.
Teams will get a well deserved break front the water after the Mangrove leg as they won't paddle again till Leg #8 which has a dark zone. Still lots of biking/trekking before that though.
Teams will have the opportunity to enjoy a thrilling rafting experience in the Pacuare River, which is rated amongst the top 10 most beautiful rivers in the world. Class IV & V rapids will get the adrenaline flowing in all racers who will be guided by expert river guides. There is a dark Zone that applies from 5:30pm through the night until 5 am - meaning no paddling is permitted during the night time hours.
Always so hard to stop when daylight is limited but Thule has to be exhausted.
It appears Tecnu is now on Merrell so let's see what happens on the next update. Colombia's tracker hasn't updated for a while so curious to see where they turn up!
Seagate and Haglofs/Silva are making good time on the wider channel above. So close…yet so far..
To put things in perspective for Merrell and Tecnu, Thule was at the same spot 7 hours ago. At that time they decided to turn back and head along the wider channel to the north. To get to the same spot where Seagate currently is, it took Thule ~2 hours. Of course this could totally change with the high tide coming in!
Canadian team Untamed Canada (16) is moving along steadily in 25th place [edited]. They should be starting to paddle the mangrove section shortly. Looking at their breadcrumbs, it seems that they might have had a couple of naps in the 1-hour range at the start and finish of the Stage 2 kayak but there's no sign of a longer sleep yet.
Craig and I sipping a drink while we wait for Thule to come past:
It's a hardship assignment
These updates are awesome, thank you so much everyone!
Untamed Canada is 1-2 km into the paddle based on the latest track.
Slice o' Phatty (17) is not far behind in 33rd place. (I'm correcting the positions since Epic Endurance is incorrectly placed on the leaderboard right now.) They have a bit more portaging to do. It must be hellish in the heat. They appear to have slept for a couple hours at the end of the Stage 2 kayak section.
Just noticed this from Endorphin Mag earlier today:
Nathalie souffre d'une allergie (sur le dos et le ventre). Elle l'a sans doute attrapée à cause de la natation dans la mangrove ;-) Le Docteur lui a fait des des injections d'antihistaminique pour calmer le début de démangeaison et de brulure. Elle doit ensuite prendre des comprimés. Ils ont dormi sans chaussure pour faire sécher le tout. Le moral est bon.
For the non-French speakers, I think this means that Nathalie of Untamed Canada has a rash from an allergic reaction on her back and stomach. The doc gave her antihistamine injections to calm the itching and burn. She'll take some pills too. They slept without shoes to dry their feet out. Morale is good.
So I guess this means they got some sleep at a TA.
Merrell is trying to push forward to CP17...
...not Tecnu moving back. their tracker hasn't update in 55 mins
Yah I was wrong and deleted my comment. Didn't realize it was Merrell who had moved up the narrow channel. Let's hope it works!
Almost looks like Merrell is trying to follow a bearing....that could be trouble...
Merrell's tracker has just updated, seems like they are taking a slightly different approach to CP17... A little bit of 'bundu' bashing :). Hoping this pays off for them!
I just compared Merrell's current location to where Thule turned around and it's the exact same spot. Not sure how much time they will spend there but it would really suck if they have to go all the way around. Mangroved out..is that like being cliffed out?
Meanwhile the chase pack continues to make their way up the first narrow mangrove with Aerodiva leading the charge. Where is Colombia? No update in 2 hours.
Merrell has turned around and are now heading back to the main channel. UGH.
Based on Thule's earlier time it took them 1.5-2 hours to get around to CP17 from where Tecnu and Merrell currently are. Too bad because they made up some ground earlier. Let's see if some of the chase pack make it to the main channel as Tecnu and Merrell paddle out.
AR Costa Rica posted on Twitter than "Thule is walking on the side of the river as they approach TA4". That can't be a good sign for water levels in that area. So much for being open and an easier paddle.
The twitter feed also confirmed that Team Ducati is still in the race and getting close to finishing the first paddle stage.
In the midst of the chase pack it appears BMS Multisport has gone off course and may in the wrong mangrove channel. YIKES!?
Tecnu's tracker has now updated and unfortunately they have dropped to about 2 hours back of 2nd/3rd place Haglofs/Silva as they will navigate the long (but easier) way around the mangrove.
2nd/3rd place Seagate and Silva have just reached CP18. Thule hit this CP ~4.5 hours ago.
Looks like 7th place Aerodiva is going to be heading up to CP16 at the same time as Tecnu is coming down. Will they repeat the same "mistake" as the 6 teams ahead of them (assuming Colombia did the same). It really can't be called a mistake as this was the suggested route on the maps.
Tecnu is now back where they were 80 minutes ago. Hopefully they can make quick work of the main channel as they get back to it.
BMS Multisport...maybe 90* compass error? even still, they should have realized that there is only 1 side channel up there and not 2 as on the official route. but then again who am i to say, i've slept in an actual bed.
It will be interesting to hear what Tecnu was thinking. Given where they met Seagate and Silva, they wouldn't have expected the tides to be much different for the shortcut.
Or is there some way they didn't see the other teams? These teams wouldn't *want* to be seen but it doesn't look like an easy place to sneak past someone.
As Thule comes into TA4, here is what awaits them on the next leg.
STAGE 5. STAGE 5
Discipline :: Mountain Bike (101 km)
Ascent :: 2090 m
Descent :: 1210 m
On this long bike ride teams will encounter a number of diverse challenges. The first is detailed navigation through palm oil plantations. If they succeed in this they will find the boat dock which is required to cross the Terraba river. Next teams will ascend the toughest hill in the race course, the "Donkey Hill". To provide some short relief - at least physically - athletes must complete the thrilling "Superman Ride", a 2km canopy ride (ie screaming down a steel cable in the flying position of Mr Clark Kent). The leg finishes with a number of long up hills and technical downhills as a final test of riders bike skills and stamina.
Donkey Hill sounds like quite an ass. I can't imagine teams running on no sleep and in hot hot heat will have much energy for the toughest climb of the race.
Top 10 team Mountain Hardware appear to have made a nav error as well as they are headed up the wrong channel.
Given that the sun sets in 4 hours, the lead teams will probably be doing that hill in the dark.
So far we've only seen the top navigators in the world in the mangrove channels. As the day goes on, we're going to see more "interesting" route choices for sure!
Bash, I am wondering the same thing. hard to say without being there and seeing exactly the water levels. i can't imagine Tecnu didn't see Seagate/Silva on their way into 16. on paper, the direct route from 16 to 17 seems reasonable...daylight and close to high tide, plus the allure of short-cutting their way into the top 3. on paper it sounds like a risk i would be willing to take. i hope at least one of the four of them will be coherent enough at the end of the race to remember this part and tell us!
And like you said Bash only 4 hours till darkness starts to set in. Navigating from CP16 to CP17 looks like a challenge for the top navigators in the world in the daylight. I can't imagine what it would be like in darkness.
Silkychrome - If you take a look at Bing Maps zoomed in, it's hard to figure out how teams would be able to get to CP17 directly even in the best tide conditions. The channel appears to disappear for a few 100meters. Guessing that maybe teams have tried to mangrove whack through but that mud/muck must be relentless.
Bones is currently moving well and appear to be sitting in the top ten. I doubt they will make it out to the CP16 channel before Tecnu/Merrell approach but will be interesting to see how they far a few hours later in a higher tide.
Channel just seems to disappear
The shortcut to 17 was a risk worth taking based on the objective info (maps and tides) but if Tecnu saw that both Seagate and Silva deemed it impossible and not worth waiting for the higher tide, it would take some serious optimism to keep moving forward. It would be a big move for them but it would also be a big move to just turn around after 16 and try to chase down the 2nd and 3rd place teams.
It appears Mountain Hardware knew what they were doing as they opted for the longer wider route as they work their way through the mangroves.
That channel looks like it disappears between CP16 & CP17...the risk of whacking through it would be way too large. I think the teams that make the decision to turn around fastest will be the real winners on this one. But, if I was there...I'd probably want to try it as well...can't fault them for that.
Definitely agreed, and not that they have the luxury of zooming in on Bing Maps to see what we see sitting at work/home! :)
WOW Colombia tracker has updated. Unfortunately for them, they are where all the top teams got Man-groved in.
I think Tecnu was probably racing their own race not letting other teams influence their decision. They didn't know that Seagate and Silva tried to go the other way. They only know they are going the long way. There is logic behind this thinking but sometimes you have to bet that the teams in front of you are making logical and accurate decisions especially when they are Seagate and Silva. It's easy to get caught up in another team's strategy and make a mistake though (like miss a CP) It would have been best for Tecnu to see them coming out of the deadend while they were at or past CP 16.
Looks like Tecnu woke up Merrell.
We still don't know where Columbia is recently. (Now we do)
Not sure if Mountain Hardwear thought they could cut through where they went or if they were lost.
Another WOW goes out to BMS Multisport. Check out their route as they navigate through the west side of the mangrove. Very very interesting route choice for them as they approach a wider channel.
Just realized that Tecnu had no idea how far ahead the other teams were since they'd probably all taken naps. *We* know the other teams tried to do the shortcut but Tecnu probably just thought the other teams went to 16, then turned around to make a safe route choice.
Latest update for Thule has them out of the TA and on the bikes heading up the road. So much for resting at the TA! I guess they want to get as much biking in as they can before the sunsets.
Not sure that BMS took the route on purpose. It doesn't look that much better than the other. At least they made it through.
Good point Bash. You don't think Nathan would have just said to Bob "hey I wouldn't approach CP17 that way, follow us". :)
It actually looks like Thule paddled up the river. They must really love those Tomcats to choose them over their bikes ;)
Agreed mayer22. I'm guessing they made a nav error earlier and decided to keep forging ahead. Good on them to make it through an area which looks on Bing to be impassable.
Bash looks like you had the same thought as me. I figured they might think that as they passed them but hoped they might just forego the exploration.
I think Tecnu didn't assume anything though. Like I said above just racing their own race. That's why they explored. Assuming in AR's can be a losing strategy
For the record, Thule officially checked into TA4 at 1:18 pm local time. They were on the "Mangrove" paddle for 20.5 hours which is the high side of RD's guesstimates for the fastest teams I believe.
I can't believe what BMS Multisport just did....that looks just as impossible a route as what we've been looking at betwee 16 & 17....even more difficult. Did that save them any time though?
It was estimated at 15-30 hours, according to the race book. So that's still on the high side for Thule, even without sleep.
Quasarlontra and BMS were at the exact spot at 11:52 am. BMS is still navigating out to the main channel and still have about 4-5km to get to where Quasarlontra currently sits. Unfortunately for BMS it doesn't look like their route choice helped.
Or route "choice", as the case may be. ;)
DD11...mangrove-whack! yes! :)
Thule looks like they portaged, no? Track shows them cutting over on the roads then on their way back down to the TA in Sierpe, either via road or come downstream on the small river. 9 km on roads vs. 7 km on the river in a slow Tomcat: which is faster? They would still be carrying their portage wheels so maybe that's a good strategic move. They have to deflate their Tomcat and set up bikes, so Seagate might see them in transition.
EDIT: Ahh, the TA is up the side river, not as indicated on the tracking map. Curious how many teams choose this portage.
As BMS approach the next turn in the channel I am curious if teams are allowed to leave their boats for a few 100m to mangrove-whack to a CP. If they see how open the north route (which all top teams have had to take) is, maybe they can stash the boat and grab CP16 which appears to be a few 100m in. Any chance they try this??
Several more teams including Untamed Canada have made the same mistake as most right before CP14. UC has already recovered and is hopefully going the right way this time. It took some teams several tries to get out of this area.
Wilberto- It was mentioned on Twitter that Thule walked beside the river for the final kms so the level must have been really low in that area. Thule is already long gone from the TA so no chance Seagate sees them at this TA.
Next team up in the CP16-17 route choice guessing game is Adidas Terrex. Will they head into meet up with Colombia? I'm sure they would be shocked to see Colombia cause at one point they trailed them by several hours (although they wouldn't necessarily know that).
Good catch wilberto. They have been in that spot for more than 20 mins. The first point was at 1:18. Maybe thats where the TA actually is. Also remember TA's and the leaderboard are just geofenced. I don't think they have left yet. We'll see.
Seagate definitely seems to be moving fast.
DD: Interesting idea but I don't know about that. They also have to be careful of crocs if they are out of their boat. Risky decision but possible. It's atleast 500m from the small channel from the west.
DD11 - would definitely be interesting if BMS sticks to the main channel and trys to get to CP16 via the other side....could be disastrous, could be stellar. Eager to see what they do. I'm sure Thule is going to rest once the sun goes down, they still going on no sleep? They really did great on this kayak leg.
Untamed said they were on a bridge 1k from the TA. I am guessing that is where 223 crosses. Which means the TA is 1k away. Likely up the creek where Thule is.
They also have to be careful of crocs if they are out of their boat.
Because crocs can't do anything to a 13' inflatable boat. ;)
I'd say the TA is here
. Thule is still there.
Seagate is <3 hours behind now. They gained 1.5 hours since CP18
Doesn't look like Seagate is following Thule's portage move.
If Seagate can even make it just a little further down the river they may have a better portage opportunity ~1.2k (but they do have a troublesome portage setup as noted on breathe)
Slice o' Phatty should be at the mangrove put-in now.
Sorry my mistake Wilberto. I hadn't checked their breadcrumbs. I remember someone (Losdobos or maybe Bash) saying that the leader board is set to automatically update when a team is close to the TA. If that's true then that is what has likely happened here.
Amazing that Seagate has made up that time in that area. I wonder if it's sleep or tides or the wildlife in the shoreline keeping their pace up.
Aerodiva are headed towards the recent mangrove dead-end. Will they have any better luck than those before them?
the ta is where thule has stopped. not the first time a cp location has been a bit off on the tracking map
Columbia hasn't updated in awhile. It's possible that the teams coming up the dead-end channel may have the good luck to meet Columbia coming back *after* 16. (Tecnu didn't have this extra information.)
is it just me or is this not crazy exciting.!!! WOW. Loving this.
Three teams are now in the narrow channel to try and head direct to CP17. I'm guessing we will see almost every team try this. Can one team navigate through? My money's on BMS because of their other mangrove-whack! :)
Silva hasn't updated for 2 hours so curious to see how close to Seagate they are.
i can only imagine all the poker been played as teams pass each other on the channels, so far it doesn't look like anyone has gained by turning back early! it also does look like merrell took a nap for two hours - 10am is a bit of an odd time for this. Maybe they sent someone up a tree to see if other teams find a way whilst the other three slept(ok, that's a bit too much speculation)
also surprised to see the bms route option which didn't seem to slow them down at all. if this is the actual maps they're using then i suppose the channel they took does sort of look marked.http://www.breathemag.ca/flashblog/2013/12/04/race...
I really do expect to see some teams try harder at the 16-17 shortcut, it really is only 150-200m. calling it a shortcut also seems a bit odd, since it's the actual route map been traced, if i think of the Rd scouting these CPs, he probably would have started from the TA4 and done CPS 15-19 from that side, so would have got through this channel from the other side.
Another factor that could be at play is the lag of the tides. we're looking at tide tables on the ocean, i'm pretty sure there would be hectic interplay between all the different channels which doesn't make it such a simple 6 hour high/low scenario.
back to queries on following the maps/trackers. anyone worked out how to get it fullscreen? the breadcrumb history window is just too tiny (and then it refreshes too, making you start again)
Here is a quick guestimate as to the leaders/tiers:
The lead -
Thule - Had a 3-4 hour lead over Seagate/Silva but that appears to be decreasing rapidly
Chasing the lead -
Seagate - No surprise they are making some good time (despite the Tomcats/Mangroves) as they close in on Thule
Haglofs-Silva - No update for awhile but assume they are close to Seagate
4th - 5th place
Merrell and Tecnu appear to be back and forth and a few hours behind 3rd place
This was Colombia but hard to say if they have turned around from the Mangrove dead-end.
7th - 11th place
***all of these teams are somewhere between CP16 and the turn around point for all the teams ahead of them. Who will turn around first to head back to the main channel? They are ~1.5-2 hours behind 5th place.
12th - 15th Place
**All four teams are getting close to narrow channel which heads north to CP16.
Ecuador Explorer and Trangoworld are the only other teams in the narrower section of the mangrove as there are many other teams who still are making their way into the first tough mangrove section.
Looks like a party in the mangrove area around CP16 as 8-9 teams are less than a km away from each other?!
TA moved last minute I guess -- out of sync online. GPS is accurate. Thule on their bikes, calm & collected (& sweltering!)
Thanks Grant! Any sign of Seagate?
did thule grab a quick nap, do you know?
with a punctured boat this is gonna be make-or-break for slice of turbo phatlander
Shebeen: good call on the BMS route. Also good call on the tides.
The tide chart does have high tide coming in 30 minutes. If someone is going to make it the teams approaching will. That would be a huge boost and would almost bump them into the 4-5-6 chase pack
hoping like crazy their repair holds out
"Man-Groved" is trending. ;-)
Hammer - you're usual spinning buddy is about to get Man-Groved.
ok, did some scratching around in the source code. fullscreen maps are herehttp://maps.opentracking.co.uk/arwc2013.cfm
That's great shebeen, thanks!
From AR Costa Rica Twitter:
"It's around +35C and with humidity it feels +10C warmer"
As 4th/5th place Tecnu/Merrell approach CP18, they will have ~2.5-3 hours left in this epic mangrove paddle. That is approx. the same time behind Seagate.
What is C?
Does that stand for Crocodiles?
I guess that means its 0C where I live.
The background noise during the race director interview on Breathmag Flash Blog sounds like me during the Wilderness Traverse race this year :)
BREAKING NEWS - First two teams to make it through the "short-cut". Quasarlontra and Bones make up some HUGE time here! Will the other teams follow..
That move by Quasarlontra and Bones is huge as they gain about 1.5-2 hours on the lead teams. Where is Colombia??! Gotta think that they made it through or did they go around? These teams are fighting for 6th spot.
As Simpy said, it's damn exciting!! I haven't bothered with the Tracker/LeaderBoards, nor any other sources... reading this play by play is like listening to it on the radio sitting on the edge of my seat! knowing some of you puts the voices to the narration and others seem to get filled as well!
Keep it up guys, everyone will need a good rest after this (racers included haha!!!)
Meanwhile at the front, Thule continues to keep up the pace on no sleep. They are about half way to the "Superman" zipline.
Looks like Seagate is almost at TA and Thule is closing in on the zipline. I wouldn't want to do the zipline in the dark!!! Who knows what you will run into especially if you have your lights on, it will attract many insects and hitting those at 120 km/h won't be fun!
BMS Multisport who just a few hours ago went rogue and did a different mangrove whack of their own to the west are now just behind Bones and Quasarlontra heading to CP17. I imagine this has a lot more to do with the tide and higher water levels then it does anything else.
The leader board has updated and it shows Seagate checking into the TA at 3:05 pm local time. Only 1:47 behind 1st place Thule and we believe they have banked a little sleep on that last leg. Amazing job by Seagate as it appeared they were over 3 hours behind Thule at one point not too long ago. It took Seagate just over 23 hours to complete that leg.
DANG! way to go Bones, Quasarlontra, and BMS! masters of the mangrove-whack!
Sportovia through now too! Selva Kailash and Aerodiva should be through shortly.
It appears Tecnu has stopped before CP18. Their tracker has been updating but no movement for a while. Merrell has moved past them while other teams are quickly closing the gap. Quasarlontra just grabbed CP17 while Bones/BMS are headed south to grab it.
Just received the following message from onsite correspondent Ron Burgundy..I mean Hermes (G-Stix fiancé):
Omg and the course is a sloth!
We just did the superman zip line and teams have to trek up to the top with their bikes....it's not going to be pretty! Zip line down and then trekk back up to get the bikes...wtf???
Team's might take 7 hours to get up the zip line with their bikes!
I haven't read this at all since it's hard to get online most of the time but we just did the zip line and it's incredible. The problem is that the teams have to climb a VERY steep climb to get there. I mean steep. They are not going to enjoy it and I only hope the zip line makes up for it. They then have to climb back up part of the steep road to their bikes. Ugh. The plan for us is to climb Chirripo tomorrow and stay the night so we can catch the teams there.
Okay Hermes and I just updated people at the same time. She was sitting 10 feet away from me with her feet in the pool. What a princess!
Don't think Tecnu stopped. It just got them on the way in and out at the same spot.
Lol, thanks Leanimal! Love the real-time updates from you two and others!
Mayer22 - Just saw that..phewf!
After many hours, Haglofs-Silva tracker just updated and no surprise they are right beside Seagate!
so as expected teams have made it through the cul de sac to cp17.
this is where it gets interesting, thule got stuck there at 4am - effectively two hours after high tide. so water levels would be dropping and they would going against the current.
time to look at those tides againhttp://www.breathemag.ca/flashblog/wp-content/uplo...
BMS/quasarlonta/bones got through at 3pm. this is almost the same waterlevel but rising tide, so current would be with them.
the other big difference is that they did it in the day.
we also have to take into account that thule probably didn't want to try anything risky given the lead they were sitting on. whoops, dead end, let's go round.
all sort of logical, it will make more sense if teams battle to get through by 5pm, when the tide conditions are similar to when thule turned back.
Silva officially checked into TA4 at 3:43 pm local time. Only 18 minutes behind 2nd place Seagate! Amazingly it took them ~21.5 hours to complete that leg which was almost an hour faster than Seagate.
Bivouac Colts through the mangrove-whack!
i am going to announce each team just so there can be more 'whackage.
Keep an eye on 1st place Thule as they approach the start of the climb to the Superman Zipline. After hearing from Leanimal and Hermes it will be interesting to see how long it takes teams to get up to the top with their bikes.
Tecnu and Merrell are taking the easterly route down to 19. I believe everyone else has gone west so far.
Columbia through to CP18, their tracker is very lazy about its updates!
Mountain Hardware through as well. can we call it a man'whack?
also thanks shebeen for the fullscreen tracker link!
That whole chase pack seems to have made it through the shortcut to CP17...what a huge time savings! Makes this interesting tight again after the top 5 had really put a lot of distance on the pack....insane!!! Love it.
Columbia might have decided to wait out the tide and get some sleep while waiting.
That or they saw teams as they left 16 and then saw them again when they got to 17. That would be a total bummer.
Silva still at TA 4 -- they say they slept ~90 minutes in the mangroves on a raised wooden platform with a roof that they happened to find
Thule says "no sleep"
I couldn't ask Seagate before they left
Interesting to see Colombia in the chase pack after sitting in 4th coming into this leg. Tecnu has stayed consistent and Merrell has had a great gain. Interesting route choice for the latter two teams as they head down to CP19.
Some racers on Silva team have showered, seen the medic for various cuts (prob getting antibiotics), & seem not rushed in the least.
Thanks Grant! Thule seems to be making decent time in their ascent to the zipline. It's about to get really really steep though.
Curious when teams do the zipline do they then head back up to grab their bikes the descend with them?
I'm guessing it's not a whaCk at all when the tide is up. raising the Floor 6 feet can make a big difference of what you can and can't get through
Aerodiva (great name!) through the mangrove-whack.
Ecuador Explorer and adidas TERREX are next in the queue. interesting to see if the tides will hold for them.
Seagate seem to be sticking to the hwy instead of the route Thule took. Can't see how this would benefit them unless they are looking for something else.
Tecnu moving well and are only 5-6 km away from the TA! They started this leg at 7:24 pm local time yesterday so I'd think they're ready for some biking even if it involves some killer climbs.
Thule seems like they are flying up the climb. Something tells me the worst is still ahead of them though.
Damn this is a great discussion. Lots of up to the minute comments and live stuff from untamed. It's one of my perma-tabs as far as sources go. :)
I know there have been other videos of the zipline, but Tecnu posted a few great ones that they filmed today (Aaron Johnson of Mowglimedia). Check out their FB page. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Tecnu-Extreme-Adven...
Have a look at team #6 Griffon. They have gone a completely different route than all other teams and are approaching the mangrove-O counter clockwise.
Tecnu is almost done this crazy paddle with Quasarlonta and Merrell on their heals. Great recovery for Quasarlontar.
Thule is done the zip and were moving well up the hill, impressive.
Great interesting posts. Thanks. Love the adventure good luck teams. Go Moreorless 2
Or as we call them here, "Slice o' Phatty", "Turbolander" and other creative names, since I'm sure other people must be wondering why we never mention our Canadian friends. They've asked us to avoid the team name to minimize spoilers to their TV audience.
The trackers all stopped over an hour ago, while I was on dinner. I have know emailed the gurus and it should be up and running again soon. :)
looks like the tides have made the shortcut from CP16-17 impassable again - Ecuador Explorer has turned around.
Antioquia Trangoworld is just near CP16, followed by TOYOTA and Banano de Costa Rica.
changing topics, why hasn't anyone proposed Phat Slice of Turboland?
Thanks, LosDobos! I was just about to ask if I was the only one that was happening to. By the way, in case anyone missed it above, be sure to switch to the full screen tracker. Many thanks to Shebeen for figuring htat out.
Leanimal took this pic of Thule pushing their bikes up to the zipline. One teammate is pushing two bikes; one of the male team members is looking rough and walking without his bike. Surely they'll sleep when it gets dark on Night 3.
Maybe Thule napped while laying down on the zipline...
Looks like Tecnu did the same portage into the TA as Thule. Only 2 so far to get off the water early and come in on the road.
Tierra Viva has just succeeded in mangrove-whacking the same section that BMS Multisport pioneered.
Untamed Canada is approaching CP16. Will they or won't they...? Looks like they've moved up to 22nd.
Phat Slice of Turbolander hasn't updated in 90 minutes but so far their mangro-navigation looks good.
somebody explain team #6's track please...
I'd say they're about halfway through the rarely seen "lazy S" swamp navigation manoeuvre, LosDobos.
I had forgotten where midcamp is (after the next bike) so I went back to reread LosDobos excellent course overview
and realized just how much race is left. This is a tough, tough race, as it should be.
Poor #6! Looks like they're about to relocate using the Pacific as a backstop.
Based on Thule's the 3 stationary GPS track updates, looks like they left their packs and tracker at the top, zipped down and hiked back up then moved on. Wonder if they have to climb back up in bike shoes.
Tecnu is listed in 6th place behind Quasarlontra and Merrell. Is this a software error related to TA4's location? Time out vs. time in?
Bash, didn't a team use the Atlantic for the same thing in Ecomotion Brazil?
And I think the ocean proved handy in Tasmania too.
Tecnu tracked at the TA at 19:14 but their arrival is listed as 19:34. They are still in transition. I think the leaderboard may have a glitch since they should be in 4th, I think. But they've got company in the TA. Go, go, go!
Yeah...the leaderboard seems to keep grabbing their latest time in that geofenced area. I posted on the Tecnu FB page that they were in the TA at 18:34, now it states 19:34, so looks like the leaderboard will reflect time out of TA's. Tecnu must be recuperating right now....eager for them to head out again!!!
Looks like our U.K. Attackpointers are sleeping on the job so the rest of us will need to do some extra cheering for GD44 on Team Endurancelife. ;)
Easy to remember, Gary is on Team 44. They are nearing the start of the mangrove paddle in 45th place.
Issy Adventure (40) is preparing to return to the mangrove swamp after a big ocean detour.
Team Ducati Bicyles (58) is over halfway through the first paddle, moving cautiously along the shore in the darkness. They're the Lanterne Rouge at the moment - but not in last place due to the three DNFs.
In case you missed it on LosDobos' Breathe Flashblog (which is full of gems), Team La Ruta - Landrovers DNFed when they slept on the first kayak section and failed to tie up one of their boats. Guess what happened.
Leaderboard aside, Tecnu was the 4th team to leave TA4. The 5th-7th place teams are still in transition.
I wonder if Thule is trying to make it to midcamp without a real sleep. They aren't stopping.
Seagate and Haglofs Silva appear to be riding together in 2nd and 3rd place. They're only an hour behind Thule.
Gone to work for 4hrs and come back to this - over 100 new updates! This is crazy and very exciting at the same time! Thanks all for hard work and keeping us up to date:)
I can't believe the great video of Leanimal on the zip line! Thanks for sharing!
Funny how she couldn't scream for a while as the wind took her breath away...;)
And what's with the giggles at the end? ;)))
Yeah, I guess 90 miles an hour does that to you!
Wow...I just zoomed way out on the map...they have so far to go yet!! A lot of racing left.
Looks like 3rd place Haglofs Silva is napping a few kms after the zipline. Their tracker hasn't moved in over an hour.
4th place Tecnu is almost at the zipline. 5th place Merrell is about an hour back. I think Tecnu napped last night but they must be tired after that long paddle. Can they make it to midcamp without sleep or will they stop like Silva? They'll be getting new maps at midcamp so Getawaystix and Tico 3.0 will not get much sleep there.
Where the heck is team #6 going? Just got home to see their updated track. You'd think I was navigating that section for them. Oops.
I see Untamed Canada is about to be Mangroved out. Argh...
Looks like they ran into trouble where everybody was getting confused with multiple channel options south of 14. They decided to play it super safe and go all the way around. WOW! I would not be happy. Looks like they have just about found CP 15 after the long trip around.
Over an hour ago, Untamed Canada and another team reached the point where top teams were mangroved out between CP16-17. Looking forward to their next track. Maybe they're sleeping and hoping for higher tide? HIgh tide is 3:30 a.m. so it will be a long time until it's possible to mangrove-whack to 17.
The team right behind them on the leaderboard is #6 Grifone, who appear to have located CP15 after taking a circuitous route.
They've been passed by a handful of teams including Slice o' Phatty, who are almost at the turn-off for the channel where CP16 is located. If Untamed Canada decides to go the long way to 17, the two Canadian teams may meet.
Curious who was the last team to make it through the CP16-17 shortcut before the Ebb tide?
#2 Ecuador Explorer is the only team to have turned around so far but it seams other teams have gone through since. This goes back to the reason not to follow teams in front of you and assume something because you see the team ahead do it. Like I said though there is a difference when you see Seagate and Silva both doing something as opposed to other teams.
We'll see if Untamed Canada can make it now. Looks like they've slowed, stopped, or turned around.
Okay thanks for all the updates!
Team #40 Issy had a similar problem to #6 Grifone. They got hung up south of CP14 and decided to go around. They started going East (or maybe just checking to make sure they looked in the right channel) and then went west into the Pacific. I think this looked shorter to me. Don't know if paddling out there would be tougher though. Looks like it is taking both teams the same amount of time to get to CP14.
I noticed on LosDobos blog that Eastwind had moved up close to the top 10. That's very impressive as I hadn't seen them in the top 20 previously!?
Just checked and they were 23rd at the last TA and now possibly 13th? Awesome move up!
41 may be doing the same thing without even bothering to try the narrow channels.
Wonder what happened to Gear Junkie? I was a little surprised to see them hanging in the Top 10 but I am a little surprised at how far back they have fallen now. I would have estimated them to hovering in the low 20's.
If you look on the tracking map you can see some shrimp farms near where CP 21 is. Wonder if any teams thought about getting some fresh seafood. Yummm.
More on Eastwind. They did the paddle section in 18.5 hours which appears to be the fastest so far (and 2 hours faster then the leaders Thule). I'm sure the tide played a large part of that but still very impressive jump!
Wow, I stand corrected 6th place Sportovia completed the 2nd paddle in 17:41! Bones also had an impressive leg and completed it in 18:46!
Tecnu is about to pass a sleeping Haglofs-Silva for 3rd place!!
Edited to say unless they are only half way through their zipline.
Woohoo, go Sportovia! (A hat tip to the Polish team, tee hee)
Way to go Tecnu! Wow, third place will get them super stoked and hungry!
Hard to tell if Tecnu has done the zipline yet or not...hoping they have. Looks like there could be a bottle neck at the zipline for some of the teams coming up now...wonder how fast they can send people through it. Think they'll give time credit to teams that have to wait?
Also impressed with Bones right now, they're in the top 10, which is fantastic!
From Bash's earlier post:
- Section 5 is a 101 km bike ride to mid camp, with a brief stop to experience the longest (2km) and fastest (145kph) zipline in the world: the Tirolesa Superman Osa. If there is a bottleneck here, time will be neutralized.
It took Leanimal EDIT: 90secs to zip down, not sure how long till the thing goes back up...
I see from report that cp19 is underwater at high tide. Imagine that in the dark?!
After some concerns were expressed, I think the final decision was that the zipline would not be neutralized. One of the issues may be that teams could take advantage of the free time off the clock, e.g. hang back behind other teams while they get some rest. This became a controversy at a race a few years ago.
Four teams, including two Canadian teams - Untamed Canada and Slice o' Phatty - are at the decision point between CP16 and CP17. Untamed has been there for awhile, possibly sleeping and waiting for the tide. They seem to be about 100 m away from the main route, maybe in a slightly more sleep-friendly location. Slice's team just arrived.
Looks like Tecnu may be sleeping at the end of the zipline, as Haglofs Silva is doing. The 5th-8th place chase pack is at the zipline - Merrell, Quasarlontra, Sportovia and Columbia.
Further ahead, Thule has deviated from the yellow route, maybe to stay on a better road.
Re: yogaslackers. I wonder why, in the many races where I've followed them as a fan, their trackers never seem to work as well or with the same consistency as the other teams. Bad luck? Careless handling, so as not to be tethered by the man? Tactics? Just musings...
Tecnu is off! While Haglofs Silva rests they are forging ahead, now in 3rd place. Awesome stuff!! Hopefully they can push hard to midcamp.
in the battle for 5th place it looks like merrell have been caught by quasarlonta and columbia vidaraid and are now all sort of together. first time we'll see if there's going to be trffic on the zipline.
tecnu are 2 hours clear in 4th
How do you get Tecnu in 4th? They're clearly past Haglofs Silva now looking at the timestamps on their trackers. Unless Haglofs Silva left their tracker where they were sleeping....
Thule look to have been fluffing around for over an hour, east of the yellow line. An opportunity for Seagate perhaps. The next time Seagates tracker updates should be interesting
Thules tracker has been updating, but stationery for about 40 minutes. Maybe they've stopped for a sleep.
Can anyone work out what Silva is doing? They seem to have arrived at top of superman before Tecnu/Merrell/Columbia but have not left... (tracker needs to update / but lots of stop start breadcrumbs at top of superman for them)
I just posted about that. Wild speculation would be welcome in the comments :)
Could they have dropped their tracker mid flight?
that is the current theory. It almost seems more likely than them sleeping again. How ridiculous would that be? If that did happen, it shows how robust the Delorme tracker is, as it has kept updating.
I wonder what's the deal with Gearjunkie/Yogaslackers. Their tracker hasn't updated since yesterday morning.
if that did indeed happen, then the official ARWS rule is
"If a piece of mandatory equipment is accidentally lost during the course of the race, teams
must report this to a race official at the next manned CP or TA. Teams must remain in that
location until a replacement can be delivered"
re yogaslackers. that tends to happen to their trackers so regularly that there is a conspiracy theory going around that they deliberately block it so they cannot be tracked. Purely speculation with no direct evidence. BTW, turning off the tracker or otherwise impeding its performance is a violation of ARWS rules.
Most likely though is that the tracking unit has died and needs to be replaced. One would think this would have happened at CP20 after the swamp...
Most teams seem to be stopping for an hour or two just 2km North of the Superman at that little cluster of buildings. Anyone know what's there? Food, shelter, spa treatments? :-P
maybe a family serving drinks and food to racers?
slice of phat turbolander is approaching cp18, through the worst of the swamp. they stopped to sleep on a small hilllock when they got mangroved out trying the direct route from 16 to 17
Top 5 Update
1 Thule approaching TA5. They took 1 hour of sleep last night but that seems to be it for the whole race. They will have a mandatory 4 hour stop at this TA. Considering they will get maps though they will probably need more time if everyone is going to sleep.
2 Seagate is less than an hour behind. We assume they have gotten a few hours of sleep at the beginning of the mangroves.
3 Tecnu is 3.5 hours behind Seagate. We think they have gotten some sleep at the mangrove put in but they probably will be happy to take more.
4 Columbia is only about 30 minutes behind Tecnu. Their tracker has been out of touch a lot so they may or may not have gotten some sleep.
5 Quasarlontra 30 min back of Columbia
Bones and Addidas Terrex are another hour back
Silva is out due to injuryhttp://www.breathemag.ca/flashblog/2013/12/05/brea...
Wonder if Untamed Canada really fought through the mangrove to get to 17. Slice's team which was there around the same time went around
oh nooooo!!! for silva. what a huge bummer.
nice summary mayer22!!
who knows more about Quasarlonta from brasil? they're doing really well in 5th place currently.
from the ARWS rnkings they've only done one event in this cycle - a third place behind columbia and seagate at 2013 ecomotion. can they keep it up over 800km?
Really sucks to hear about Haglofs-Silva having to drop out due to injury. Tough break as they were racing very well.
Any idea of how much sleep the top teams were able to get overnight..if any?
First place Thule has just arrived at the next TA with Seagate about 6km back.
Here is what is up next for the leaders.
STAGE 6. STAGE 6
Discipline :: Mountain Trek (92 km)
Ascent :: 4002 m
Descent :: 4320 m
This is the longest trek leg of the entire race and will push all teams to the limit. It will take teams across the Chirripo National Park, which is located in the heart of the Talamanca mountain range. The crux of this leg will be almost 2.5km of vertical ascent as teams trek from 1343mts to 3820mts in 16km. If it is a clear day, the reward will be attaining the summit of Cerro Chirripo and uninterupted views to both the Pacific Ocean and Caribbean Sea.
While the last glaciers retreated from this area 10,000 years ago, evidence of their presence can be seen by the regions many lakes and U shaped valleys. The paramo regions were believed to be sacred to the indigenous people of the area. It is believed that man did not reach the summit of Cerro Chirripo until 1904. It is also the second highest peak in Central America at 3820metres. Racers will then enter the Cabecar Chirripo indigenous reserve where they will have the opportunity to observe the last indigenous tribes of Costa Rica. There is no road access to this section and helicopter assistance is limited.
From the web:
Keep an eye out for this guy!?
Did we just hit 500 posts?
CONGRATULATIONS WILBERTO!!! You are the winner of the 500th poster prize!
Prize: 7 day - All inclusive stay at the Mangrove in Sierpe, C.R. Stay includes fishing rod, rubber boats and all you can eat croc/snake buffet along with their famous mangrove mud shakes. Also comes with free use of Tomcat and a guide to tidal times in the area. Batteries not included..
Ohhhhh I'm so excited! I've heard great things about this place. All kidding aside, who on here doesn't wish they were in Costa Rica right now?
Without a doubt, my favourite place I've been…although my wife would argue that we really haven't been many places. :)
Wikipedia says Chirripo is #5 in central america. I went to the top of the highest, Tajumulco, but unfortunately it was not clear enough to see both oceans. It is also much wider in Guatemala. I imagine that will be pretty neat to see if they do.
question for untamedadventur/Leanimal/Hermes-
is the race organization actually transmitting the Trail Mail from the website to teams in TA?
No, I was just thinking about this Emily -- the Trail Mail isn't being relayed at all. It's a bummer, but I know many teams enjoy reviewing it after a race so it can still be appreciated. I know it's not the same though.
The organizers have their hands full with teams spread from Pacific swamps to the tallest mountain in Costa Rica. If we had internet at TA 5 I could do more but without a printer etc it's too tough.
I *DO* know that each team at TA 5 will do a "race blog" before they depart from the TA. Look for those to start posting online later this afternoon.
thanks, Grant! I know it's hard. I worked a remote TA at a 36hr race a few years ago where we had Trail Mail - I ended up on a sat phone with someone at HQ, verbally repeating the messages to teams as they were trying to TA! nightmare, but really funny too!
I agree about the post-race review, and will continue to post Trail Mail in case someone at a future TA gets internet and has time to relay.
can't wait to read the race blogs!!!
Wow, we hit 500 posts when the first team hit midcamp! Will this be the longest Attackpoint thread ever? (Does anyone know what that would be?)
As many of you know, there is one guy behind Attackpoint - Ken Walker Jr.
, an orienteer with a young family and a day job, who manages to provide amazing support for this site in his "spare time". Anyone can use AP for free, either to log training or participate in these discussions, but it is largely funded by voluntary donations. A minimum $25 U.S. donation makes you a "pro" user with no ads displayed, highlighting when new messages are posted in a thread, and access to other bonus features
but any donation is welcome.
During big adventure races, AP has become an international hangout that brings together awesome, knowledgeable, fun people. I don't think there is anything like it; I hope to meet you all in person some day! When I hang out somewhere, I figure it's nice to buy a coffee every once in awhile so in honour of the 500th post, I made an extra donation this morning. If you would also like to thank Ken for providing us this forum, you can make a donation here.
Now back to our regularly scheduled, obsessively detailed race spectating! :)
Well said, Bash. I just chipped in to help, which is only fair considering the million or hits to the AP server I will be responsible for this week.
hey Barb, that made me want to donate: well put. could you write something like that for Joel and me? We're doing all of this pro bono as well...
Long time listener, first time donater.
just kidding Barb...JP can write us our own appeal. ;)
"If you are confused by the tracking activity at the Superman zip line it is because it has been shut down for a while, there was a half hour hold up, then it was shut for an hour to check the line. (It's still not open so it could take longer.) Teams were told they could wait or move on with a 2 hour time adjustment (the average transition time). The reason is an unfortunate one, Roman Urbina of the La Ruta Land Rover team had clipped a branch and hurt his foot. He is off to hospital for a check up. This has never happened before and the team here are checking everything very carefully before anyone else flies."
Yep, love the AP discussions, the community, the great race coverage and insight that we get from everyone including LosDobos, Leanimal, etc., and all the great AP features for logging and tracking my training. Well worth the donation!
Merrell seems to be heading down the rankings again. They could just be tired after their massive comeback, but I'm concerned they have a mechanical issue with one of the bikes. They lost almost 3h in the first MTB leg to end in 21st place, managed to get all the way back up to 3rd on the paddling & trekking legs and are losing time again on the MTB leg.
Not sure how to import the link, but here are mid-camp interview with Tecnu and also an interview with Silva:
Kyle Peter from Tecnu states that they got 3 hours sleep during the mangrove paddle.
That is such sad news about Roman of La Ruta Land Rover having an accident on the zipline and going to hospital. This is after his team's race ended on Stage 2 after their boat floated away while they napped.
Very sad about Haglofs Silva too. That was a terrific performance in a tough race, and it's a shame to see it cut short. I look forward to seeing them back next time.
@LosDobos, I would definitely like to "buy a cup of coffee" at your cafe too. Your coverage of these races is awesome. Other than buying a digital subscription to Breathe Magazine
, which I already have, what else can we do? Can we make advertisers happy by clicking on links and looking at their wares? Should we make a few more comments on the Breathe Flashblog to prove that people are reading it? One thing off the table for me is sharing lots of links with Facebook friends since only some of them are interested in my crazy sports.
....and now for something completely different...
Well somewhat on the topic of navigation and Costa Rica
(apologies if already posted here).
What is spanish for Onion?
Raceblogs are up for leaders. Thule is cocky:
57 - Thule Blog
Hi everybody, follow us until the finish line for our new world title Ö.
Seagate isn't very chatty:
Come on Carbon, you know (knew) how to say "no onions, no mushrooms" in Spanish :)
Only Thule and Seagate have started The Big Trek after midcamp. Each of them spent 4.5 hours at midcamp. Seagate started half an hour behind Thule, and it doesn't look like much has changed in the past couple of hours.
3rd place Tecnu will be wrapping up their time at midcamp at 3 p.m. CR time. Their bike split was faster than Thule's or Seagate's although they did have the benefit of more daylight. 4th place Columbia Vidaraid arrived just 18 minutes behind Tecnu with an even faster bike split but according to Tecnu, Columbia were exhausted when they arrived and went to sleep immediately. I've always been advised to eat, change and re-pack before sleeping at a TA unless I'm incapable of doing anything but sleeping.
Merrell Adventure Addicts, who were 5th at the start of this stage, seem to be having issues. They've been overtaken by Quasarlontra, Adidas Terrex Prunesco and Bones, all of whom are moving toward midcamp.
If navigation on the trek is tricky, maybe this is the leg that will split up the top 10 more significantly? Given the type of vegetation in many parts of Costa Rica, I wonder if this will largely be a physical challenge on trails, in which case the top teams may not separate that much if they stay healthy.
Oops, I forgot Sportovia, who were in 6th behind Merrell after the Mangrove Monster. Their tracker hasn't updated since 4:17 a.m. but we may well see them on the leaderboard as the next (5th) team to arrive at midcamp.
Btw midcamp is not where the TA is shown on the tracking map. It's due north of that symbol where the green track makes a 90 degree turn to the right.
Nice racing by Adidas Terrex Prunesco who appear to have moved from 10th to 7th on this bike stage. (Or even 6th, if tracker-less Sportovia has dropped back further than I'm guessing.)
Top Canadian team Untamed Canada is around the mid-20s in the rankings, and they're in the area of the zipline now. The Endorphin Mag video didn't indicate any major issues for them. Only two more hours of daylight so it looks like they'll be riding through the darkness and arriving at midcamp in daylight.
crazy how fast the top 10 are...there are still TWENTY-SIX teams in the mangrove monster. some of those have got to be defective trackers (GJ/YogaSlackers..) but still. dang.
Team Slicelandphatso is approaching the end of the Mangrove Monster after what looks like an eventful day. It looks like they slept several hours last night at the "decision" point between CP16-17. They may have run into Untamed Canada there. They seem to have had high tides with poor visibility, as they ended up going around the long way. Until the past few hours, their mangro-navigation had been going well but their track has had a few diversions in the last few hours. They're going to be glad to hit the TA after more than 30 hours. I hope all these teams travelling in the midpack and further back were carrying lots of water in this heat.
Here's the word, Bash:
We don't have any visible sponsors for this race. To make comments is the best way. Maybe to make general comments on their own pages about how good this coverage is and that this is the future of race coverage.
That from editor in chief JP.
Endorphin Mag has some great info although translations can be interesting, e.g. "Josefina has lost their shoulder."
LosDobos, when you say "comments on their own pages", do you mean blog posts or Attackpoint log entries, i.e. links that Breathe Mag can refer to?
Also comments on your blog posts, I assume. And the digital subscription.
Thanks to you, Leanimal, LaFemme (soon) and JP for your hard work!
The tracker for GD44 and Team Endurancelife hasn't updated in awhile but they should be in the CP16-17 decision zone now.
According to the leaderboard, top Canadian team is SXM. Whodat?
Both Tecnu and Columbia are back out on the course, just leaving the TA, and tackling that first brutal climb that both Seagate and Thule are still on. Looks tough.
Hmm, SXM is listed as a Canadian team, although that seems strange since it appears that the 3 men are French, and the woman is Russian. (Based on googling their race results, which may or may not be accurate.) They are still 1.5 km ahead of Untamed Canada.
They are: Bruno Rey, Cyril Margaritis, Jean-Baptiste Calais, Irina Safronova
[EDIT: After the race, we learned they are, in fact, a French team that was listed incorrectly on the race website as a Canadian team. So Untamed Canada was the top Canadian team throughout the race, and SXM got a lot of extra cheering from those of us who thought they were fellow countrymen. :) ]
Nathalie of Untamed Canada has raced with a couple of the guys before.
maybe the sponsor is Canadian? After all, look at Thule.
Team Issy Adventure (40), who went out to sea last night to go around a big peninsula, spent about 12 hours overnight in the same small area on the outside of the peninsula. Maybe they stayed on the beach? Or maybe they headed to the Eco Lodge 1 km away from where their tracker was broadcasting.
They haven't made much progress today; they're only a few kms from where they spent the night, although they did a little exploration further inland, then turned around. They had been doing pretty well in the first stages of the race, starting the Mangrove Monster in 30th place. But 33 hours after picking up their kayaks, they are much closer to the start of the mangroves than the finish. For their sake, I hope they did visit the Eco Lodge and get some drinking water because they have another 24 hours left in the mangroves if they decide to keep moving forward. It would be much shorter to go back to the put-in if they decide not to continue, and it looks like they may be heading back that direction.
We've raced against SXM before (RTNX 2011, ARWC 2011, and a few of them were EADS at RTNX 2003 Atikokan), but they usually raced under a French flag (or didn't they even have some Caribbean Island flag at ARWC 2011?)
Captain Bruno Rey is from the French part of St. Martin so they may have raced under a different flag.
SXM...Maybe Sirius XM Canada, i.e. satellite radio.
Well, puts another maple leaf on the leaderboard, so GO SXM!
Tecnu has left mid-camp and they are trekking on The Big Trek, about 0.5km in front of Columbia. Seagate is another 5-6km up the trail, and Thule leads everyone another 5-6km in front of Seagate.
Team 40 Issy Adventure is heading north into the mangroves again. Onward!
No word on Sportovia so Adidas Terrex Prunesco *did* move from 10th to 6th place on that bike ride. Well done! And Merrell passed Bones again before midcamp, arriving in 7th place. So right now we have:
On The Big Trek:
5) Quasarlontra Kailash
6) Adidas Terrex Prunesco
7) Merrell Adventure Addicts
9) BMS Multisport
Tracker not updating but should have been in this group of teams:
Yes Bash, I think it was the St. Martin flag that SXM raced under at ARWC 2011.
Untamed Canada seems to be on the move again after spending several hours around the zipline. It has been speculated that food and drink may be available, as many teams have taken breaks around that group of buildings. It is getting dark now but it looks like they'll be biking all night with relatively easy navigation so it wasn't a waste of daylight to take care of themselves when they had the opportunity. (Assuming we are guessing right about the refreshments!)
Phat Slice o' Turbolander has finished the Mangrove Monster in 30th place, which is about the same as their pre-Mangrove ranking. (Remember to subtract 1 for Ducati Bicycles, currently shown in 30th place.) They were out for 33 hours, including a long nap last night.
Legendaryrandy has posted some nice photos of midcamp. Hey, there's Relentless! :)
spent some tense hours trying to direct relentless from wherever he was to mid camp via email. glad he made it:)
Great pics! That Canadian racer looked way too clean! :)
Team "Running Clean"?
thanks to whoever hid the first 525 messages - no more scrolling 38 screens to get to the bottom :)
Yes, quite handy and appreciated!
Is it weird that Sportovia "Go Poland!" Trail Team has posted 10th at the bike-to-trek, but their tracker has updated quite recently all the way back near the zipline? Feeling uncharacteristically patriotic here, so they're my other-other horse in this race. :) Mainly I'm just surprised that Poland has a most excellent AR team, I guess!
Sportovia has been issued a different tracker -- but the tracker ID might be mixed up. No internet at mid-camp means it's a 2k walk to/from the internet connection, so 4k roundtrip to sort through each iteration.
We'll resolve it, though. Thanks for your patience :)
Oh wow, such response time! :) Thanks for the info, Untamed!!! And your work in general.
Sportovia, by the way, came in to TA 5 tired but smiling. They cracked open a couple cans of Costa Rican "Imperial" beer and chugged them down in just a couple minutes -- I think the first time I've seen a team racing in the top 20 of a WC introduce beer into their race nutrition system :)
The member of the team with brown straight hair (not sure his name) was consulting with race physicians about his inability to keep food down. He explained he was overheating and laying down in rivers to cool off along the bike ride. He's also the first one I saw swigging the beer, so I can't think he's that bad off.
I see Tecnu dropped to 4th....are they just about to tackle the biggest peak of the race?
I don't think Tecnu dropped back. I'm looking at the earlier time stamp on their tracker vs Columbia, and the fact that they aren't many reasons for them to stop right before a knoll/crest. We'll see when their trackers are more current together.
Doug Judson just had a fit, suggesting Tecnu has dropped back -- I see in the raw data the Tecnu tracker is ahead, about the same distance as always. The public-facing website just hasn't updated.
Ok, ok...calm down everyone....sorry Doug, didn't mean to upset you! ;)))) For a bit they were showing behind Columbia. I will not assume things from now on ;)
wonder what the chat was here? Thule and Seagate trekking together!
Is FB racing on Sportovia cause that sounds like one of his moves! Either way he'd be as impressed as I am.
Great updates from everyone today, thanks! Feel bad for Issy Adventure and great to see the Cdn flag SXM doing well.
Doug will freak out form time to time...the last few hours the trackers weren't updating at all. But, they're back on now. Not much has changed at the front of the pack.
Thule is nearing the peak.
Regarding Columbia and Tecnu in close proximity:
I don't believe it has been mentioned but Marco from Columbia raced on Tecnu for two years. Him and Kyle raced and trained together a lot and became good friends. "Marcocopuff" actually raced with Bob and Kyle when they won Costa Rica last year.
Not sure exactly what prompted the switch but Marco has since found a home on Columbia which is probably a better fit as he was born and raised in Brazil. He speaks English as a second language which I know was a barrier at times but he is a strong athlete and a great teammate. He currently lives in San Diego which is how he hooked up with Tecnu.
Hahaha - that's a Polish team alright.
I think Joe might be right. But why would they make it a double hull? I would think that might be slower. You could only paddle on one side and twice the "frontal area".
Are they for portaging maybe?
Maybe they are the special mangrove whacking portage wheels? I don't see any blades on them though.
Aerodiva stopped at the ATM at 2049.
who is going to tell Doug...Columbia's tracker has been ahead of Tecnu for a few km now.
I think the leaderboard has misplaced Merrell Adventure Addicts. They were reported to be in 7th place at midcamp but now they're shown in 9th place. Their breadcrumbs show that they arrived before 16:00 so they should be out on The Big Trek now that it's 21:45 in CR. Their tracker is stuck at 19:01.
The next tracks will tell the story but Adidas Terrex may have navigated their way past Quasarlontra into 5th place on their way up Chirripo. The tracks are only a few hundred meters apart at the same time so the teams may even be in contact.
Moving further up the mountain, I'm afraid Earring Doug will need to sit down because Columbia has passed Tecnu to move into 3rd place. They slept at midcamp - no sign that they've slept on this trek. Seagate should be on the summit now, and Thule has moved on.
I suppose the leaderboard ranking could be correct if Merrell has not left midcamp - but the recorded 19:01 arrival time is still several hours after they arrived so it is probably just a small data glitch.
I'm very impressed with Adidas Terrex move back up the rankings after a rough paddle through the Mangroves. They are right with Quasarlontra battling for 5th place beginning the huge ascent up Chirripo,
Is this big trek on a trail or is it a bush whack?
The little bit of info we've seen suggests mostly trails. Here's the race map from midcamp to the summit of Chirripo.
And here's the race book for that section.
Normally I would consider "Stream" to be too non-specific as a control description but compared to the two control locations described as "Contour", it actually sounds pretty good. ;)
Thanks! The map one came out while I was at work and I missed it!
I love those contour checkpoints… you just look for that line on the ground.
most interesting race to follow with all your help, thanks , keep it up, Go Moreorless 2!!
Speaking of that team, it looks like they took 2-3 hours to rest and regroup at the kayak/bike TA, and they should be arriving at the zipline right around now.
It looks like Untamed Canada may have stopped for 45 minutes along the bike route - perhaps a quick nap before the final push to midcamp. They're biking steadily now.
I think I remember from the O-100 course* you shouldn't place controls on nondescript contours. :P
I've also learned that you AR folks are very forgiving about CP precision!
* The Canadian orienteering beginner course for officials...
Clean, please don't start. O-100 was right about that. :)
Thanks to whoever hid the first 525 messages - no more scrolling 38 screens to get to the bottom :)
That's the kind of feature Attackpoint Ken sneaks in because he's a user too, and he gets it. Also, I'm liking today's new "There are new messages" prompt that pops up if you're looking at the last message in the thread or working on a comment.
Some good pictures of Tecnu in the last TA on sleepmonsters (after about the last 3 to 6 photos). Kyle looks remarkably fresh in one of the photos just after pulling into the TA.
Looks like the fastest time of stage 5 so far is around 13-14 hours (In order, Columbia (13 h 40 m), OpavaNet (14h 35 m), Adidas Terrex (14 h 44) and Tecnu (15 h 13m)).
Meanwhile, back at the mangroves, Team 6 Grifone is probably at the kayak/bike TA, based on their track an hour ago. Their time for this leg will be over 40 hours. Bet they sleep at the TA after all their explorations.
However, they've been outdone by the creative explorations of Team 40 Issy Adventure, who are on the right track now as they take the long way around to CP17. Their time for this leg is at 40 hours so far with a couple of CPs to go. Bet they never want to see mangroves again!
Just looked for first time in a while. Tecnu slowed down, didn't they? Not just that Columbia was faster, though I'm sure they were that too. I hope the climbing with the mashed feet didn't become a problem.
Comment from Sleepmonsters about the bike nav before midcamp. Sounds like I underestimated it.
"From then on there were plenty more hills to come as the route wound its way across country into the mountains that run down the centre of Costa Rica. Some of the navigation was tricky as not all the roads were on the maps and in places there was a maze of rough tracks to find a way through. In the night we came across the Japanese team East Wind asking directions from some bemused locals. There were plenty of people around to ask as there were many homes and villages, most of them now decked out in Christmas lights."
In the same article, they mentioned that Merrell decided to spend extra time at midcamp to rest, so this may explain the drop to 9th place.
Team Dark Horse dropped CPs 15, 16, 17 & 18 in the mangroves, taking the shortest route to T4. There was some talk of this being a score-O section but we haven't seen many teams skipping CPs so it has looked like a "visit CPs in any order" section.
"Dark Horses said they too tied up to sleep. They were afloat when they did so, but woke up on a big mud bank as the tide had gone out, and they had a tough time getting out of the mud.
Dave Darby said they’d “made a tactical choice” to miss several of the CP’s in the swamp and gone directly to the transition. “We wanted to stay in the race, and there is nothing to cut after this. We knew if we went for all the controls we’d never make it, so it was an easy choice to make.” He added that CP19 was underwater when they got to it."
re: mashed feet...I remembered a recent photo of the feet of some Costa Rica racer at a stop on FB, and they were the typical pruned up, skin-bunched up feet of someone who's been hiking and biking with wet socks/shoes. I know those guys are extremely experienced, but still...
Sleepmonsters quoted Karen at midcamp, saying Tecnu had good feet. The caveat is that the article was written by their team manager, who would not be inclined to broadcast any issues the team may have been having. :)
Those feet seeeeemed to be Tico's. But the comment from Doug was that they look great! I just shrugged because I have no idea what "great" is supposed to look like!
Re: the possible score-O - is that why Ducati is still ranked having skipped the mangroves? Or is that a leaderboard glitch?
Ducati also skipped the trek to the start of the mangroves so they are definitely unranked. (Leaderboard glitch.)
I must confess that I'm cheering for my friends on Tecnu, and I am currently very worried. They've moved about 7 km in the last 5 hours. Columbia is at the summit after passing Tecnu earlier in this trek. I'm sending healing vibes. Clean and Afsheen, you may be right on the money about the feet. :(
Has Seagate made their move? It kinda looks like they've taken over the lead on the descent from Chirripo.
And Adidas Terrex is in 5th place after passing Quasarlontra on the trek.
By tracker time and distance, I'd say Seagate has officially passed Thule...
I'm also getting worried about Tecnu. This is very frustrating.
I'm glad my beer-guzzling countrymen&lady are on their way, though!
It seems that Columbia is closing the gap with the two front-runners in a big way on this trek. I hope they can keep this up. I'd like to see them beat at least one of the 2 favorites, almost as much as I'd like to see Tecnu beat the favorites. I've been a fan of theirs since Gold Rush 2012 when I saw one of their teammates puking hard under a 100+ degree F sun (37+C for the non-US racers) during a big climb on the first day, and the rest were just kicking it waiting for him to get over it. Then see them just rocket to a big victory later. Well I didn't see them, they were so far ahead of us. That was the year of this big fire that forced all the teams to divert, except for Columbia who was so far ahead, and Team Sole who just pushed through, alongside the fire I think.
Clean's beer-guzzling friends sure are doing well! 10th place. And Merrell Adventure Addicts are on the trek in 9th after taking some extra rest.
Yes, Columbia is flying!
Here's the FB photo of Kyle's feet. Having looked like that myself, I think those feet would have dried out and felt fine after resting at midcamp. Tecnu seems to be having some other problem. Maybe altitude? They're at 3600 m and still climbing. Or maybe someone's stomach doesn't feel right.
Over the summit of Chirripo:
3) Columbia (gaining on Thule)
Approaching the summit:
5) Adidas Terrex (gaining on Tecnu)
6) Quasarlontra or maybe Bones
Thanks Bash. There is definitely something wrong with Tecnu's pace tonight. I hope that whatever it is, they can recover by tomorrow.
@LosDobos Any YogaSlacker sightings or news?
I've got the midnight shift tonight at TA5. It's dang cold in the jungle, if you get enough altitude. TA 5 is at 1,500 m (roughly) and it's cold here. Up higher it must be freezing, to he honest.
there is no interwebs at midway camp, which probably explains why the mandatory team 'blogs' are probably been typed up by someone on a nearby hill after being uploaded via semaphore.
Thule - 57 - Thule Blog
Hi everybody, follow us until the finish line for our new world title Ö.
Team #1 Seagate: Tough course! All feeling much better after some rest and ready to do our stuff on the big trek. Thanks everybody for all your support!
Thanks for all the support guys, we are on the running right now chasing the front pack. Love you all
Team#8 Bones: Feeling strong. Love to all who all are following! Your support keeps us motivated.
Team #62 Tecnu: From Karen, we are happy where we are, and battling the course, shout out to all my friends in Big Bear, and To Cat. Love you guys! From Garret, love to mom and Dad and a shout out to Silverado Power, thanks for all your support, Always be closing! Celebrated my bday in the swamp, fun times in the muck. From Kyle to Tommie, love you mom, this course is brutal, we are loving it. Thank you to Mike Miller for scheduling all those heavy pack hikes, they were worth it. From Bob, thanks to everyone watching in North America. We are feeling good, and excited to be going on a real hike after 3 days of racing. Thank you to Tecnu, adventure medical kits, survive outdoor longer, Brooks, Leki, Light & Motion, Headsweats, Champion Systems, 2XU, Julbo USA, Kinesys, and Acce/Endurox R4, we hope we are doing you guys proud.
Adidas terrex - Team #3
This is the stage we’ve all been looking forward to. Have slept will run as much as we can!
Amamos comer Aventura, e o qu noscemos e fomos treinodos para foyer.
Amamos correr em provas de Aventura, é o que nascemos para fazer treinados para fazer.
We love adventure race and that is what we were born to and practice
Team 14 BMS Multisport: Epic race. Team going well. Neils still strong as hell dragging the team around. Slowly making some progress through the rest of the field.
:) It almost sounds like Bob is the one thanking sponsors in that blurb. Almost.
Thanks for grabbing these!
Wow, there is still so much race left! Wonder how much the organizers have adjusted their finish time expectations and how racers are managing food, gear and their supplies to last longer perhaps? Any thoughts?
team 6 = 41+ hours for the Mangrove Monster section
the horror.....the horror
oh...WOW. my first-thing-in-the-morning check of the tracker reveals Seagate, Thule, and Columbia all clustered together on a secondary peak of Chirripo. granted, the timestamps are 30min apart on each of the teams but seems like Columbia has put themselves firmly in the hunt for a podium spot!
Tecnu has summited but are about 6-7km back from that group. their breadcrumbs don't reveal any sleep spots either - just a slower pace. i really, REALLY hope that is the pace they are employing by choice and not by necessity.
no sleep for Thule, but Seagate looks to have stopped for 90min on that secondary peak. hope their rest was productive and it wasn't too cold (based on untamedadventur's comments).
best guess is that the altitude is affecting someone on Tecnu. The good thing is that it goes away as soon as they descend below about 2500m
Seagate stopped for a sleep until Thule caught up
now they are all taking different routes down to 32 - exciting shit
yeah! it's like ridge roulette...who will pick the right one?
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hmmm...not different route choices, Seagate is simply following the trail and Thule cut straight across to pick up the descending trail to 33
looking at the map, there really is only 1 route to take
ohhhh i see. there IS a trail on the race map (not shown on the tracking map). smart move by Thule!
fave post so far:click me
After coming into the Mangrove paddle in 10th place It took AXA -Adidas 44hrs and 49 minutes to get to the next TA. That is over a full day longer than some of the fastest teams in that section. Crazy!?http://www.axa-adidas.com/?p=10503
damn, it's a pity that AXA didn't track in the mangroves.
Exactly what I was thinking shebeen. It will be interesting to see how quickly they recover and whether they can play some catchup.
This has to be one of the better pics I've seen. Now that's a teammate!http://www.flickr.com/photos/109259580@N03/1121360...
Has anyone heard from Hermes or Leanimal since they planned to climb Chirripo yesterday? Curious to hear their thoughts on the climb and the terrain.
Oh my, paddles and all.....!
If you go out in the water today, you're sure for a big surprise...
As always some amazing pics from Andreas Strand -http://www.andreasstrand.se/2013/12/raceday-2-and-...
The racers will have nightmares about those Mangroves for a really, really long time....I bet Bob will appreciate canoeing in Ontario so much more now....hehehe
After what appeared to be a few tough hours for Tecnu it appears they have almost caught back up to Colombia! The trackers for Thule and Seagate haven't updated for a while so I expect they are a few kms ahead.
Tecnu has closed the gap :)
WOW Seagate's tracker finally updated and they are only 3-4 kms ahead of Colombia and Tecnu.
Munching on some AXA Sportmusli (we have a Swede in the house...) for breakfast and wondering what 45 hours stuck in the mangrove must have been like....
Looking at the live tracking and it looks like:
Columbia has passed Thule! (Unless this just appears this way due to trackers updating at different times?)
Tecnu has reached the summit!
Exciting battle in the top 4!
Thule's tracker hasn't updated for three hours now so good chance they are well ahead but you never know! Tecnu hasn't updated for 90 minutes either so will be interesting to see how everyone is grouped.
Adidas-Terrex and BMS are making their way over to CP32 and appear to be making very good time. Not too far behind them are Quasarlontra and Merrell who round out the top eight. Bones and Sportovia are making the huge ascent up Chirropo right now in a battle for 9th and 10th. By the looks of it Bones banked 3-4 hours before the big climb and started again as the sun came up.
Ah yes, gotta figure out how to check the tracker update times. Thanks DD11!
mouse over the team icon and that will usually popo up the tracking data
click on the team in the team list and a window pops up with all the tracking data, including breadcrumbs
That ridge hike between 31 and 32 must be amazing in daylight.
Thanks to Breathe for posting these maps as we can see there is a building at CP32 (Shelter) which teams may using for a quick pitstop. CP33 is located at a stream.
Once again thanks to Breathe we can see the top team's trek from CP32-CP33.
After about 3.5 hours Thule's tracker just updated and it shows them about 3-4km ahead of Colombia (Seagate and Tecnu's trackers haven't updated for a while).
A couple cool pics of the trails leading to Chirripo from a tourist last week.
From last year..
Guaranteed we will be hearing about this. Look how chewed up the trail gets from the horses using it?!
What lies ahead..
Meanwhile back in the Mangroves…Team #42 Issy Adventures has FINALLY made it to the TA after being out in the Mangroves for 50 hours, 51 minutes. CRAZY?! Hope they are resting and re-hydrating now.
The bottom pic is from the Pacuare River paddle, close to Siquerres. I paddled it Monday-Wed this week (here for my honeymoon, coincidentally). Stopped for a couple nights at Pacuare Lodge for some hiking.
That narrow passage is called "Dos Montanas" and is one of only a couple flat spots on the river. It's mostly a gentle class 2 run.
We put-in at Turrialba and took-out at Siquerres. Nothing more than class IV here, mostly 2-3s, and decent water level. Granted, the guide we had just returned from the New Zealand rafting world championships, and works the river for years, but there were only a couple possible screw-ups/portages and they were short. No forks/turns to miss.
A few days before we put in on Dec 1st, the river was closed for 2 days due to high water with the heavy rain fall. I spoke with a couple professional kayakers/playboaters and they did Not paddle when it was closed. These are hardcore tico badass paddlers who race internationally.
Watch the forecast/conditions. This could alter the race if heavy rain returns at the right/wrong time.
Veteran adventure racers like Rebecca Rusch, Shane Sigle and Jeremy Rodgers know this river very well, having raced and worked there over the years.
Lastly, I can vouch for how cold it is in the mountains here in Costa Rica. The combination of heat exposure during the day and hypothermia at night in the same day will nuke some teams, especially around Chirripo and the Cordillera Talamanca.
Also, it goes without saying that the trails can be very technical. Deep mud and roots everywhere. High risk of injury, especially at night and late in the race, under load.
I predict a sky-high "casualty rate" in the 2nd half of the race.
MAYBE 15 teams will do the course.
Looks like a true world championship course! Point to point with tough navigation/strategy choices and gnarliest terrain possible.
Gracias, Senor de la Rosa! This course is TUANIS y Pura Vida, for sure.
Sounds like a wonderful honeymoon. Congratulations, Sean! :)
Great update Sean, thanks!!
The top 3 teams - probably still Seagate, Thule and Columbia in that order - haven't updated in 2-3 hours. Tecnu recently updated on the secondary peak of Chirripo. They are being chased by Quasarlontra, BMS Multisport, Adidas Terrex and Merrell; the closest teams are within 2 km behind them. Start that descent *now*, Tecnu!
Unfortunately, Tecnu seems to have stalled again as their tracker just updated after 2.5 hours and they remain at CP32. Hope everyone is okay and the possible issue that they had earlier hasn't resurfaced or gotten worse.
Go figure..Tecnu is back on the move again!
Quasarlontra is about 2km back of 4th place Tecnu with BMS, Adidas Terrex and Merrell right behind them.
finally turning my attention to my fellow Canucks on Epic Endurance, Untamed, and Boundless 2 (I can say their name...it's not like saying "Voldemort")
But they'd really rather you don't.
If I were racing and someone posted this I'd probably tell them to go shove it. :)
I am sure that's the case here, and that we are not sitting just past the CP on the mountain and losing time to the front-runners. I will check in at HQ and have them login and check the tracker and see where they are at, and let you know soon, but I am not worried.
Brazil/Quasarlontra's Tessa Roorda on Quasar Lontra raced with us (DART) back in 2008 at a couple races, and we trained together quite a bit in Los Angeles when she was at UCLA briefly. Awesome to see her at the sharp end of the field! She is one of the sport's best, and flies under the radar as she's pretty quiet. Awesome attitude, super-experienced expedition pro and unbreakable.
The course definitely favors the Brazilians and others familiar with jungle racing.
Quasarlontra is sitting in an impressive 5th place so anything is possible over the 2nd half of the race (or are we even at that point yet!?).
Always tough to discern if Tecnu's sponsorship manager Earring Dougie is putting out real intel or misinformation. But that's his job, and he's very good at it.
Tecnu has been on that peak for 3 hrs at around 3600 m. If the problem was altitude, this would not be helping. However, the symptoms of altitude sickness are symptoms of other problems typical in adventure racing, so it can be hard to know. Also, if someone is really not feeling well, it can be hard to get them to a lower altitude just to test the theory. I think they stopped to give a teammate a chance to rest and hopefully feel better. They wouldn't sleep away daylight hours by choice, especially so soon after midcamp.
or spell it funny so it doesn't get googled .... like Bowndlesse Tu
... sorry, need to distract myself... I'm a little distraught about Tecnu's current situation?!?! :-)
(wow, take a second to post and a dozen new posts pop up and mess up your context)
Untamed seems to have found their groove.
Based on the recent update Thule is about 2km from the "stream" CP33 CP and approx 2/3 of the way through this massive trek leg. No updates from Seagate or Colombia for a while now.
Another update from Tecnu on that secondary peak. :(
From Sleepmonsters relative to the Mangrove Monster CP's-
"The answer is simple enough – any team, cutting any checkpoint is unranked, and all the unranked teams will be classified together. “I have seen so much confusion in the past as teams who are unranked argue about who did more of the course and which unranked team is higher than another as a result. We are not doing that, the fact is they didn’t do the whole course and so they are unranked, and that is the end of it.”
All points mandatory.
Quasarlontra and BMS have reached CP32. Tecnu just updated and is still there. :(
I wonder if everyone understood that the score-O was all mandatory. This quote from Dark Horse doesn't sound like a team that just decided to unrank themselves. A "tactical choice"?
Dave Darby said they’d “made a tactical choice” to miss several of the CP’s in the swamp and gone directly to the transition. “We wanted to stay in the race, and there is nothing to cut after this. We knew if we went for all the controls we’d never make it..."
Seagate has just updated and they are where Thule was 45 minutes ago so think it's safe to assume Thule currently is leading with Seagate 2nd and Colombia somewhere close by.
And just like that, Tecnu has moved back to the trail, heading toward the descent. Fingers crossed they're feeling better!
Looks like Quasarlontra and BMS are a few minutes ahead of Tecnu. Looks like Tecnu is still in a competitive mood despite whatever problem they've had, which is awesome.
Yes, I like the system of requiring that all checkpoints be visited, i.e. the race course is the race course, plain and simple, no opting to just drop parts of it.
That said, I'm okay with a team choosing to go unranked if they really aren't aiming to be competitive and want to choose which parts of the course they spend their time on.... as long as it doesn't somehow interfere with the ranked racing.
Glad to hear that Tecnu is on the move again.
Yes, I like that kind of race course too. I'm not keen on the "optional checkpoint" AR format, particularly if maps are distributed on course since there is too much random guessing involved.
Worried about Tecnu :( Wonder what's been going on....my guess would be altitude issues...not the feet. If you asked me, those pics didn't make their feet look to bad, didn't see a single blister, and there's easy ways to dry out.
Update on Yogaslackers. Their tracker suddenly appeared at Midcamp...so, guessing they're back in the mix!
My latest guestimate based on recent tracking.
1. Thule (should be arriving at CP33 anytime now)
2. Seagate (recent update had them about 30-45 minutes behind Thule assuming they are still moving).
3. Colombia (haven't updated for 45 min but should be right behind Seagate)
4. Tecnu (stopped for a few hours beside CP32 but appear to be moving again)
5. Quasarlontra (Just arrived at CP32, curious to see if they spend some time here like the teams ahead)
6. BMS (right beside Quasarlontra)
7. Merrell (recent track has ~1km away from CP32)
8. Adidas-Terrex (right beside Merrell)
9. Bones (~6km behind 8th place)
10. Sportovia (tracker hasn't updated for 3.5 hours so good bet they are somewhere ahead of this position).
11. Salomon-Suunto (just passed the Chirripo Summit and making good time since last TA)
12. Opavanet (right beside Salomon)
13. Mountain Hardware (Climbing up to CP31)
14. Bivouac Colts (just a few 100m behind Mtn Hardware)
Aerodiva, Trangoworld, Ecuador Explorer, Eastwind, Selva
SXM and Tropico Extreme have recently left the TA and are starting the big climb up Chirripo.
Just noticed that Gearjunkies tracker is actually almost up to date and they are sitting at the mandatory rest stop along with Untamed Canada, Jeep and AXA-Adidas. AXA Adidas must have had an awesome MTB because they had a tough paddle.
I assumed the "tactical decision" of dropping points was to avoid getting on the short-course-bus later in the race rather than to try to place higher.
wow, DD11! awesome recap and awesome pics earlier! really helps give perspective of the trail conditions. that mud looks horrible.
"short-course-bus" yet another great new phrase to come out of this race thread! :)
Thanks for the guesstimate summary DD11, that's great!
I'm excitedly watching Adidas-Terrex to see if they keep moving up through the next few positions...
And impressed with AXA's return. They must be drained from so many hours in the mangrove, and probably got low on food and water.
I wonder if Tecnu got some sleep while they were stopped, or would this not have been a logical place to sleep? If they got some sleep, that could come in handy in the next day or so with other teams not far away....
"Would you rather: be short-course-bussed or mangroved?"
Mid-day seems like a funny time to sleep but perhaps they're not worried about trail-based navigation at night, and this location seems to be a good one to rest at.
I assumed the "tactical decision" of dropping points was to avoid getting on the short-course-bus later in the race rather than to try to place higher.
Maybe, but "tactical" sounds like a word you would choose if you were thinking about staying in the race rather than choosing which sections of the race course you'd like to do for fun as an unranked team. Granted, they are choosing their words in a sleep-deprived haze so it doesn't make sense for me to focus on semantics so much! :)
5:30 gap from Seagate back to Tecnu now. Don't tell Doug.
That's 5 minutes and 30 seconds, right? :)
Still, I'd be pretty proud to be within 6 hours of Seagate...
I think I was within 6 hours of Seagate at ARWC2011.... on the first day :)
We beat Nathan in RTNX Nfld (1)... rumour has it he had open heart surgery the week before the race :-)
Yay, Tecnu's next track is definitely downhill. Although they'd moved over to the trail, they were still on the peak at the last track so I wasn't 100% sure. Quasarlontra, BMS and Merrell are on different parts of the peak now and will likely hang out for a little while, based on what the other teams have done.
Heck, his whole team was afraid to show up in Newfoundland when we signed up for ARWC2004 ;)
(or some convenient excuse about a wedding... c'mon, what racer lets a wedding be scheduled near an important race?? :)
Exactly... Darin moved his own wedding when RTNX dates changed one year... btw, he doesn't race anymore :-)
Now back to your regularly schedule race-mania...
Well, I've NEVER raced against Nathan, so clearly he is terrified of me.
Tecnu! is moving! again! after having arrived at the secondary peak about 0745, they are now trekking off of the "hill"top at 1219 and 1239. onwards!
If the top-3 trackers would suddenly all update, I think we'd see all3 within 2 km of each other
A few splits (best/worst) for the first few legs:
Leg #1 - Mountain Bike (95km)
1. Thule 8:44
2. Seagate 9:17
3. Silva 9:17
4. AXA Adidas 9:23
5. Quasarlontra 9:23
6. Tecnu 9:48
7. Colombia 9:50
8. Trangoworld 10:04
9. Gearjunkie 10:05
10. Adidas Terrex 10:22
1. Ducati 29:36
2. Tropico 27:19
3. Get No Sleep 20:18
4. Coast to Coast 20:08
5. Kinesium 19:48
Difference between fastest to slowest: 20:52
Leg #2 - Paddle (65km)
1. Seagate 11:42
2. Merrell 12:34
3. Thule 12:39
4. Silva 12:47
5. Tecnu 13:04
6. BMS 13:04
7. Colombia 13:06
8. Banano 13:22
9. Quasarlontra 13:33
1. Ducati 38:57
2. Hyundai 25:16
3. Hombres 25:13
4. EnduranceLife 23:57
5. EpicEndurance 23:51
Difference from fastest to slowest: 27:15
Will post the 3rd and 4th legs in a bit.
Looks like Thule has stopped to take a little break at CP33.
Have had a few back and forths with Doug regarding Tecnu. He is saying that trackers will report wrong locations and then suddenly jump to the right location, which I personally haven't seen once this race. I've just seen them not report for hours at a time. Plus, their last few tracks make sense in that they're moving forward, just slowly.
Anyone noticed wrong GPS reporting?
Thanks for the splits DD11! Love it!
Most of us are terrified of racing against Los Dobos. The few times I have had to race against him, I was motivated to run as fast as I could ;)
Now, given all his great race insight, I'd be slowed down by looking for internet cafes, checking if he has shared any info on the web...
Leg #3 - Trek (27km)
1. Thule 5:16
2. Seagate - 5:33
3. Merrell - 5:33
4. Silva - 5:36
5. Colombia - 5:40
6. Adidas Terrex - 5:46
7. AXA Adidas - 6:07
8. Tecnu - 6:15
9. BMS - 6:35
10.Peaklife - 6:35
1. Dark Horse - 13:58
2. Baba - 13:45
3. Great Langdale - 13:34
4. Aquitaine - 13:19
5. Papacara - 13:14
Difference from fastest to slowest: 8:42
Someone tell Doug that Tecnu is heading back to the start of the trek... I want to see if I can hear the 'POP!' from Canada... :-)
OK, that wasn't nice... :-)
Looks like Merrell is first off the "peak" in pursuit of leaders... I thought is was going to be BMS
@NormalAndrew: No, in this race I've only seen trackers do that in a couple of cases where the race organization gave a team a new tracker, and the transition wasn't smooth.
I'm a Tecnu fan so Doug and I are on the same side. However, I find it frustrating that his cheerleading is so optimistic that it sometimes includes misinformation. It would be nice to think that I could go to the Tecnu FB page to find trustworthy news about my friends - even at times when the team is going through a low.
Btw we used these Delorme trackers for the first time at Wilderness Traverse this year, with Untamedadventur's support, and I was really impressed compared to SPOT (which, of course, is the type I own - sigh).
Leg #4 - Mangrove Paddle (65km)
1. Sportovia 19:12
2. Bivouac Colts 20:03
3. Bones 20:25
4. Thule 21:12
5. Silva 22:35
6. Mtn Hardware 22:47
7. Seagate 23:01
8. Toyota 23:06
9. SXM 23:17
10. BMS 23:43
1. Issy Aventure 50:51
2. Peaklife 46:31
3. AXA Adidas 44:49
4. Grifone 41:16
5. Hyundai 40:53
Difference from fastest to slowest: 31 hrs, 39 min.
-A few other notables- (Merrell (14th) Quasarlontra (15th),Tecnu(16th),Colombia(23th),Adidas Terrex(26th)
- Istill can't believe how long it took AXA Adidas and to see how well they are doing now is awesome!
-It appears there were at least three teams who are shown as having finished the paddle but didn't get all Cps so as we have determined they will go unranked (Coast to Coast, Get No Sleep, Dark Horse, Epic Endurance are who I saw)
-Kinesium could still be on the first paddle but their tracker hasn't updated since yesterday and they aren't shown as being finished that leg on the leader board.
-Hombres de Maiz appear to be the only ranked team left on the paddle and unfortunately for them they are "mangroved in" at the point where many other teams were forced to turn around.
Leg #5 - Mountain Bike (101km)
A total of 27 ranked teams (not counting Haglofs-Silva) have finished so far. There are about 22 ranked teams (not counting Kinesium and Hombres who are possibly still paddling) currently on leg #5. So far here are the fastest/slowest splits:
1. Colombia 13:40
2. Adidas Terrex 14:44
3. Tecnu 15:13
4. Seagate 16:19
5. AXA Adidas 17:17
6. Thule 17:18
7. Opavanet 17:51
8. Quasarlontra 18:25
9. Bones 18:29
1. Selva 29:57
2. Jeep 27:55
3. Ansiltia 27:43
4. Banano 24:58
5. Untamed Cda 24:14
Difference from fastest to slowest: 10hrs, 34 min
I will try to update this again later after more teams have completed the bike.
Awesome DD11! .. some interesting results there
Wow, nice gain on Leg #5 by Tecnu versus top ranked teams like Seagate and Thule!
Yes, I prefer to let Tecnu's results speak for themselves. The hype and marketing can detract from the facts when it is too over the top. Oh well, maybe I'm just jealous that I don't have someone working the sponsorship angle for me.
Still, it's nice to see a team simply go in quiet and finish strong.
Interesting that Merrell are only ranked in the top 10 fastest times for 2 out of 5 legs (the 'easy' first paddle & hike legs) yet are still racing up in positions 5 to 8.
When is the dark zone analysis going to start?
Pretty cool video of the hike up and around Chirropo. It's long so I just skimmed through it to avoid the annoying soundtrack.http://vimeo.com/35567240
Thanks for the vid, DD! Nice to see what they're seeing.
Holy winds at the top. And the rocks.
Is attack by adorable nibbling goat on the list of dangers in this race?
Colombia's tracker just updated and it shows them at CP33. Thule's hasn't updated in 2 hours, Seagate's in 1 hour and Tecnu's about the same time.
According to Tecnu's latest FB update it is now pouring rain at mid camp so things just got even tougher for teams leaving to climb Chirropo.
Meanwhile back in the Mangrove, Hombres de Maiz have made it through from CP16 to CP17 so the worst of that section is likely behind them!
Limitless Also is about to hit mid camp. Huzzah!
According to LosDobos, there is bad news - especially for Clean. A Polish racer (on Sportovia, I assume) became badly hypothermic, and the race sent a doctor who evacuated him/her from the mountain.
LOL. While the rest of you make useless boring lists like how long it took teams to finish legs (thanks, DD!) at the end of this I will compile my top ten list of secret-team names.
p.s. Limitless Also yay!
Wonder if it's too soon to start backtracking projections from the paddle dark zone cut off to see which teams can make or break?
I *know* Clean was LOLing the message before mine.
My head hurts from all this useless number crunching. I may need a few beers before I can start guessing on the dark zone cutoffs! :)
As good a reason as any to start the weekend! Please keep the lists coming. And thanks, cause if I weren't already pulling an all-nighter/soon-to-be all-weekender for work, I'd being doing this crazy number-crunching too.
"Limitless" checked into the TA6 with a split of 22:33. Perfect timing as it sounds like the rain just started to come down for their 4 hour mandatory stop. Good on them as they currently sit 29th place!
Brilliant work putting those lists together, is it start to finish of leg or does it include the transition times? Some teamns have slept in transitions so that can sometimes explain quick times.
The Breathe Flashblog has added a "Donate" button to help fund their ARWC coverage, which isn't sponsored. I can't get Paypal to send them money using Chrome on a Mac, even though my Paypal donation to Attackpoint went through OK yesterday. LosDobos test-donated to Breathe using Firefox and Windows 7, and it worked. If anyone else makes a donation to Breathe and it works (or doesn't), it would be of interest in trying to track the problem down, i.e. maybe it's just me. I guess I'll just hand LosDobos some cash the next time I see him! ;)
That I don't know shebeen. Maybe Losdobos can let us know whether the splits shown on the team's pages reflect transition time for the previous leg or if it's added to the following leg? I'd love to be able to see a breakdown of TA times cause it always seems like the top teams run through them.
Hey Bash. I made a PayPal donation earlier today from my MacBook and it worked.
Chrome? When I get to the Paypal login screen, I enter my password and get taken to a Breathe screen that asks me to complete my purchase. I clicked that a few times and kept getting brought back to the same screen. So I've either donated 6 times what I intended to, or nothing at all!
Some tracker updates for the lead teams. Thule is about 4-5 km ahead of Columbia. Seagate hasn't updated but they'd be 1st or 2nd.
Tecnu is shown 1-2 km ahead of Quasarlontra but their track is 50 minutes more recent so it's not clear if they're 4th or 5th.
Based on the latest tracker update, it appears Thule is about halfway between CP33 and CP34. Seagate hasn't updated for 1.5 hours so they have to be close to Thule while Colombia's recently updated and they are a few km past CP33.
Quasarlontra's tracker hasn't updated for 45 minutes and assuming they are still moving they are likely right with 4th place Tecnu. Merrell is likely also right with them as their tracker hasn't updated in about an hour.
Both trackers for Adidas Terrex and BMS haven't updated for a while now either. First guess is they are still at CP32 as other team's have taken a break but they could be heading towards CP33 as well. Bones updated more recently and is sitting at CP32.
Daylight is quickly fading for the teams so it will be another interesting evening in the jungle!
Sorry Bash. Forgot you said Chrome as I am just using Safari on the Mac.
Still, it's good news that other people are able to donate.
Seagate just updated. They're in 2nd, halfway between Thule and Columbia.
I was able to donate with Chrome, but it gave me some issues for awhile. I may also have inadvertently donated multiple times in my haste.
Guess I'll try a different browser. Nice that people are supporting the Breathe crew!
Merrell just updated - still a few kms behind where Tecnu probably is. Hoping for an update to see whether Quasarlontra is ahead or behind Tecnu.
A few more teams are approaching mid camp - Tierra Viva and Leki 50.
Keep in mind the leader board is a little out of whack as it still lists teams who missed CPs in the Mangrove as ranked. Unfortunately, Dark Horse and Coast to Coast shouldn't appear on the list at this point.
Bones who continue to have a great race have left CP32 likely in 7th place (although the trackers for Adidas Terrex and BMS haven't moved in a while). I still think they are in the shelter which keeps the GPS hidden.
Very impressive 2nd MTB leg for Team #44 Endurancelife finishing it in 17:29! That split is good for 7th which is awesome considering they had a lot of trouble on the first paddle finishing it with the 2nd slowest time in +25hours which put them near the back of the pack! Not anymore!
Tierra Viva also came in around the same time and are currently sitting in 31st overall!
....I think there will be a record with more than 1000 hits on this page....:)
If the prize for 500 was a 7-day all inclusive stay in Mangroves, I am terrified to think what the winner will get this time.....
i know i'm a bit late to the party, but I was able to donate to Breathe without issue using Chrome.
Dark Horse made the decision to skip mangrove CPs intentionally, seeing it as the only part of the course that wasn't linear. They're fine being unranked; their pref is to see as much of the course as they can and have a blast pushing their limits.
Can't blame them for that Untamed. Good to know and glad they will be able to enjoy everything else.
Here are few teams who's trackers have been dormant for a while:
Adidas Terrex - Last update 1:11pm local time (last update was in top 10, likely resting near CP32)
BMS Multisport - Last update 12:52pm local time (last update was in top 10, likely resting near CP32)
Sportovia - Last update 8:56am local time (unfortunately, I think they will be continuing unranked if they do keep going because of a team member being removed)
SXM - Last update 3:37pm local time (on the ascent up Chirropo so could be resting)
Agrocontrol - Last update 12:18pm local time (should be getting closer to mid camp if they've been moving)
Alquamistas - Last update 11:40am local time (Should be getting closer to mid camp)
Great Langdale Bunkhouse - Last update last night at 10:31pm (They had been racing pretty well so hoping they are somewhere mudpack)
Kinesium - Last update yesterday morning so assume they are on the bike somewhere. Still unsure if they finished the Mangrove paddle.
Any one have any further updates on these teams??
Meanwhile back in the Mangroves…
Hombres de Mais continue to work their way through the last of the epic mangrove paddle. They have reached CP19 and are in the homestretch to the TA.
Not sure how many volunteers would be waiting for them at this TA but kudos to them for sticking around! I think the first team to pass through this TA was almost 44 hours ago!
Does anyone know which backpack the racer is wearing in one of the banner pictures by Andreas Strand on the live.arcostarica.com/tracking
website? It's the photo right after the AXA adidas kayaking photo. It looks like a hard shell pack and looks interesting.
Grt Langdale Bunkhouse have been reported as starting stage 5. Not sure if that means they are sleeping or have actually started the hike - if they latter, they made good time after the 2nd (?) longest swamp trek.
Sleepmonsters now has a dark zone breakdown. It's not the best, but hopefully should make sense. http://www.sleepmonsters.com/v2_races.php?article_...
Thule has reached CP34! Just two more Cps until the next TA! Seagate and Colombia are still breathing down their necks. A few hours behind them Tecnu, Quasarlontra and Merrell make their way to CP34!
The Untamed Canada team on the bike -- https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=5546129346...
Andreas Strand captures the grit and determination of this sport so well!
Fuddam - Stage 5 is the bike which is where they are being shown. Hopefully they are being reported as starting the 6th stage! If they aren't there yet they must be close!
Great analysis of the Dark Zone on Sleepmonsters! Thanks for posting!
Three more teams just reached mid camp/TA6.
33- Racing Denmark (time of last leg, 20:44)
34- Freemind (time of last leg, 23:36)
35- Raid74 (time of last leg, 22:54)
**Leaderboard is still showing Darkhorse as ranked higher but they are continued unranked.
A few more teams should be into TA6 soon!
Wha whoooooo! Although the leader board hasn't officially posted it, Hombres de Maiz have finished the Mangrove paddle and are the final team to come in. Hopefully they get some rest, food, water and keep on moving!
Further ahead, Walhalla Specialized has just completed the 5th leg and arrived at Midcamp. They completed the leg in 22:05.
Looks like Adidas Terrex has now overtaken Tecnu? Also....starting to look like other teams will soon as well...feeling for Tecnu. Really wondering what has happened to them. They've been moving super slow even after getting down off the mountain.
Seagate and Thule are now racing back and forth for the lead as Colombia has dropped back a few km but are about to check into CP34.
Adidas Terrex continues their HUGE comeback as they have passed Tecnu for 4th place. Tecnu have likely fallen about 30 minutes back but continue to remain in front of Quasarlontra, BMS and Merrell who are gaining quickly. Bones continue their strong race and are alone in 9th. Impressively there are about 8 teams all getting close to CP32.
NormalAndrew - It's tough to watch BUT still lots of race left. I just hope that whatever is hindering them disappears quickly.
Everyone looked and felt fine leaving mid camp, but all it takes is one wrong step to wrench a knee or sprain an ankle. Hope it clears up and they get to race to their potential.
Jari with Adidas Terrex team was downright fiesty this morning in TA 5 - all so happy to be rid of the kayaks & "racing" again after some food & rest. That Terrex team is built for success the longer/wilder the race goes.
After witnessing Fiji and Borneo I swore I would never race in jungle. I have now added Tomcat to that list of absolutes.
Colombia is the 3rd team to reach CP34. Only two more Cps for them until the next TA!
After a 3 hour break at CP32 Opavanet has left the CP and could be in 10th place. There are a few teams behind them who's trackers haven't updated recently so tough to tell. Either way it's been a great leg for their team.
is it just me or are they going to blitz that 35 hour estimate for fastest time?
On pace to crush the 35 hour early estimate, you think?
Good thinking LosDobos!
They're due for beating some of those early estimates,
no...they're not. Just did the math.
Enigma Selva has just finished the 2nd bike leg to reach mid camp. They seem to have had their struggles on that leg as their team was 2nd slowest so far at 28:53.
Back at TA4, it's official that Hombres de Mais (current Lanterne Rouge competitor) finished the Mangrove leg in 49:25. Only Issy Aventures spent more time in that swamp!
Well done, Hombres!
At the other end of the race, Seagate appears to be leading Thule but not by much. Columbia is a few kms behind. The leaders look to be < 15 km from the trek/bike TA now.
Tecnu is shown next near CP33 with a recent track but their nearest competitors haven't updated their tracks in awhile so we don't know everyone's rankings in the very competitive 4th to 9th place crowd.
What awaits the leaders in the next leg? They make this sound so easy..maybe it actually will be??
STAGE 7. STAGE 7
Discipline :: Mountain Bike (40 km)
Ascent :: 1610 m
Descent :: 1530 m
This leg is a relatively short bike ride across sugar cane and coffee plantations in the area of Turrialba.
1600+ meters of climb in 40km is no easy feat though. They will be aiming to get there for the end of the dark zone.
Reposting the dark zone info
Teams will receive the final set of maps at TA8. This transition is also the only Dark Zone. Any teams arriving after 1400 will have to wait until 0430 next morning for daylight to continue. Furthermore, the Dark Zone will extend into the ensuing 89km paddling section, and teams who make it onto the water have to stop at 1730 and camp for the night until the Dark Zone lifted. The Dark Zone will be strictly enforced using the race trackers and teams were warned the penalty for being on the water late would be disqualification. (They were also told not to sleep beside the river,as it is full of crocodiles. Sweet dreams.)
So the way I read it you can get a 3.5 hour advantage by starting the raft right at 1400.
Everyone stops at night though no matter what section you are on.
The next way to get an advantage would be too make it off the long canoe paddle just before the 1730 cutoff. Teams behind you will have to stop even if they only have 100 m to the finish. I wonder if portaging along side the river with the boats at night is allowed.
There is only 13.5 hours of daylight so if the time estimates are right everyone will camp out at least once on the river.
I should also add that race staff at the start of the final paddle have clear instructions to keep tracking devices oriented above other gear to allow a clear signal.
Glad to hear that, Untamed. :)
At the last update, Seagate has a 1.5 km lead on Thule.
Also, it looks like Tecnu has retained 4th place - unless BMS passed them. BMS' track hasn't updated but all the others in the area have. It is very close though.
If the top teams all make it in the first half of the day I would assume that the dark zone won't have a significant effect. Good for the lead racers but takes some of the excitement out of it.
Not sure if I worked this out right or not.
That is unless the time estimates are incorrect.
Looks like the top 3 may get to the rafting early and have to wait a bit but only an hour or 2. I guess that may be enough to allow some teams from that huge chase pack to catch up though.
Oh and I have been working on eastern time. Add an hour to that.
My guess is the lead teams will get to TA8 just as the dark zone is lifted.
Ok time for someone else to chime in so I don't look crazy for having a conversation with myself. Ok?
That should make it exciting! :)
Oops, I meant the dark zone lifting as the lead teams arrive, not your crazy conversation. ;)
OK, all the chase pack has updated. Tecnu is in 4th for sure. Probably Adidas Terrex in 5th about 1.5 km behind Tecnu although they may be trekking with Quasarlontra and BMS Multisport who are very close. Merrell is only 1.5-2 km back in 8th, then it's a few kms back to Bones in 9th.
Yikes, those are some scary good teams breathing down Tecnu's neck....
wait, no more "Meanwhile, back in the mangroves..." posts?! sad!
Maybe they should do a head count, just to confirm that no one is still stuck there.....
Meanwhile, back in the Mangroves... Darn, I miss being able to say that. No one is in the mangroves. I guess that is a good thing.
It looks like "Limitless Also" is taking some extra time at midcamp like Merrell did. Their last track was still at midcamp 6 hours after they arrived. It was pouring rain earlier in the day - not sure what the weather is like now. Untamed?
Untamed Canada is probably a couple of hours away from reaching the summit of Chirripo but they haven't tracked in awhile.
Our adopted Canadians SXM should be stepping onto the summit any minute now.
Haha, Silkychrome... You and I were thinking the same thing at the same moment!
If I follow all of this breadcrumb technology correctly, looking at Seagate's latest track, you can see that they've been moving perceivably faster than Thule (based on greater distance between the dots, which I presume plot at a regular time interval). Cool.
@Bash oh yeah!! great minds!! while there may not be anymore MBITM discussion, we can stay entertained with a great mayer22 monologue (monotype?)
That Mayer22 guy is absolutely crazy. Did you hear him talking to himself? ;))
CO, I was just looking into that because I was thinking the same thing. Thule is now where Seagate was 45 minutes ago. I think Seagate must know what Mayer22 has been saying, and they are running downhill to the TA so they can get to that paddle as the dark zone lifts. Or even earlier so they can nap a little!
Looks like they are supposed to plot every 20 min but sometimes its every 23 min or 26 min it seems or 40 min (2- 20 min intervals) Not sure how it works but unfortunately I think the spacing may not be as accurate as you want it to be. I could be wrong though.
It was nice to respond to another person that time. Thanks CO
Hopefully all of the front teams that are battling closely can get to the paddling put in with enough time that none of the battles get affected by dark zones, but we'll see....
ok mayer22, here is the benefit of living in central time - it's just past 2200 here. that means that Seagate has appx 6.5hrs to cover the remaining 6-7km in The Big Trek before the dark zone lifts at 0430. they should be able to do that, no? with time for a short sleep?
i have no experience in multi-day racing so have to idea what a reasonable pace to expect from a team at this stage in the race.
I'm here for ya, M22!
Heck, I may be the one talking to myself as I make comments about "hope the dark zone doesn't interfere with the lead battles", and then I can't remember how long the paddling section is and if it can be done in a day anyway...
I haven't done my homework as well as many of you.
oh wait. ha. talk about not doing my homework...after the TA they still have a 40k bike! this race won't quit!
Silkychrome or anyone: are Seagate on a trail or bushwhacking in this section? 1 km an hour should be quite doable for them unless it was really dense bush. They will probably get to the put in early. I'm guessing there is no time credit? So they'll have to make the best of it by sleeping, eating (nice, when you have your TA bin right there for better food than you might carry if you had multiple things to pick from...unlikely when you are so limited by weight restrictions), or working on new maps - they get the rest of the maps here, don't they? So, some extra time would not be a waste.
Okay, thanks to Silkychrome's mix up, I retract my analysis. Squeeze a 40 km bike ride in there, and that pushes the times back more....
The biking is estimated to take 3.5-6 hrs so it should be all good. Maybe not much of a nap but the rafting is estimated at 4-5 hours so they have lots of daylight. [Edit: But then there is the little matter of the 89 km kayak section that is also subject to the dark zone.
My comment about how it's nice to eat right from your TA bin if it provides additional options still holds true though :)
Otherwise, eating from your teammates' packs also often provides additional options....
i know, i'm so ashamed! but, looks like there will be no front-end dark zone affecting the top teams at the put-in.
AR Rule #64: the best food is the stuff your teammates are carrying
CO, it doesn't look like anyone gave LosDobos a photo of this part of the race map but the satellite map seems to show road/trail options all the way to the TA.
(Although we don't know where CPs 35 and 36 might be.)
Looks like Seagate will do The Big Trek in about 35 hours, which was the RD's estimate for the fastest team. Impressive. (Not Seagate - the RD. We already knew that Seagate was impressive!)
LosDobos has race maps and instructions. LosDobos has been asleep...
Who gave you permission for that?!?
He's now rolling in sponsorship dollars and sleeping at posh hotels :)
I don't always sleep. But when I do, I don't ask permission.
He's especially grateful to the sponsors who clicked the Donate Now button six times for some reason....
Shebeen is logging on from south africa, many thanks to the night shift. I wonder if a three person team can use two rafts or if that is game over for them?
CO - thank you, and there is something weird going on with Paypal or the other bit. It works fine for most people (I donated to myself to test it out) but Bash couldn't on a Mac using Chrome. What OS/Browser are you using?
i just paddled this (Pacuare River) earlier this week. Portaging next to the river is not an option. Steep dense vegetation and/or rock on both sides 90% of the way. There is a place or two you could get out on the West side of the river, but it would be a very long portage on the roads.
Shebeen, I don't think the issue is the guided rafting section - just the Tomcats. Because, you know, those boats would be too slow with only one person paddling. :) Having said that, the RD seems keen to let people experience as much of the course as possible so given that the 3-person teams are unranked, I'd hope something could be worked out.
@LosDobos, I think CO was talking about me. :)
Go Getawaystix, Tico, Beantown and Super-K.... I hope you guys are still doing okay.
And go Team "It's like eating a Limitless pizza one Phat Slice at a time"... :). Looking forward to seeing you blast out of mid-camp well rested and ready to attack the mountain!
And go SXM! Our fellow Canadians, whoever you are!
going through the sleepmonsters projections, great stuff was starting to mentally do it myself. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Aq1XG...
am i right in saying that the dark zone on the river extends all the way to TA9? essentially you can't paddle on the indigo blue section between 5pm and 5am?
the dark blue section where it is flatter is A-ok anytime of day?
the reason why i ask is that there's about 5/6km of flatwater from the gorge to TA9, even passing under the (32) highway - drops 20m vertical. would be very harsh to get stuck there for 14 hours(or is it 12 hours)
From reading this, I get the impression that the dark zone lasts until TA10 - although it seems strange.
"Teams will receive the final set of maps at TA8. This transition is also the only Dark Zone. Any teams arriving after 1400 will have to wait until 0430 next morning for daylight to continue. Furthermore, the Dark Zone will extend into the ensuing 89km paddling section, and teams who make it onto the water have to stop at 1730 and camp for the night until the Dark Zone lifted. The Dark Zone will be strictly enforced using the race trackers and teams were warned the penalty for being on the water late would be disqualification. (They were also told not to sleep beside the river,as it is full of crocodiles. Sweet dreams.)
- Section 9 is the long 89km down-river paddle mentioned above."
Adidas Terrex and BMS Multisport passed Tecnu shortly after CP33, probably still accompanied by Quasarlontra, who had been with them but haven't tracked recently. So they are now 4th-6th. A sad moment for Tecnu fans. The team has clearly had some sort of issue for the past 24 hours but they've been pushing on like troopers. :(
At the front of the race, Seagate should just be arriving at the trek/bike TA. Thule is about half an hour behind them, then it's another 1.5 hours back to Columbia.
Thanks for posting the map of this last part of The Big Trek, LosDobos. Yep, they're on trails and roads.
speaking of Breathe, here is an awesome comment on the sad going-ons of Team Tecnu. http://www.breathemag.ca/flashblog/2013/12/07/tecn...
from Shawn: "There must be something wrong as Tecnu has stopped three times in the last 10K/ It looks like all three of the teams that just past them have all slowed while they were with them and then took off like they were checking on them."
interesting observation and theory. we NEED a report when they get to TA!
i see the dark zone as having two targets.
moving backwards from reaching TA9 by 5pm is first prize, because then you can drop the guide off and continue on the 'down river paddle' into the night. this is the dark blue section, and is about 35km, which drops 40m to the sea in that time, so while it is down river i'm sure it is tidal for at least the last 10/15km.(obviously the next consideration to project who gets a lucky dip there)
going backwards, you probably need to get to TA8 by 12pm/noon to get out the gorge by 5pm.
second prize is getting to TA8 by 2pm so you can at least start.
third prize is a booby trap, getting piled up at TA8. expect a huge pack here, bigger rest than midway.
so who's in line for what - arrival times at TA8?
first prize -
using a thumbsuck of an optimistic seagate based 10hours from CP33 to the end of the trek, the chasing pack will probably all get second or third prize. there's big incentive to get there earlier so maybe in daylight a team or two will make a huge push.
BMS, adidas terrex, quasarlonta, tecnu and merrel all in this bag.
i see a big parking lot at TA8
I assumed from that description that the dark zone ensues for the entire paddle (Sections 8 and 9). No one can be paddling on section 8 or 9. The reason for the cutoff at the start of section 8 is likely so teams dont get stuck on the rafting section. They dont want guides to have to camp out. Some teams may not raft it quick enough though and have to camp out at the end.
Sounds like clarification might be helpful though.
BRO: are you commenting on stopping alongside the rafting (Section 8) or the canoe (Section 9). I think you are talking about the rafting. It is more likely that someone like Seagate might get stopped a few miles from the end of the canoe section and want to trek there. This area looks much more feasible to portage alongside. The rafting section you said you just did has steeper sides.
It looks to me like Tecnu stopped around CP33. They're not moving slowly. They've been in almost the same place for over 2 hours. They don't need to nap yet since they had a good rest mid-day. This isn't what they would do with a sprained ankle. It's what they would do if someone is feeling under the weather and they're hoping that some rest will make them feel better. Sending "get well" vibes.
Based on my assumptions as long as you make it to the rafting before 1400 and dont get stuck 100m from the end of the paddle you wont get too screwed.
sounds like the altitude got Kyle
Right after I wrote that, Tecnu took off in pursuit of the 3 teams who just passed them. They're probably 30-40 minutes behind.
Did you hear from someone who spoke with the team?
(Because Kyle's Mom is reading this thread, ya know.)
I remember Tecnu getting stopped by a dark zone very close to the end of a paddle in last year's ARWC in France. I didn't think they were allowed to hike out that time, although maybe teams just camped because the terrain was too difficult to portage.
Tecnu about 8 hours behind Seagate now
Shannon told me via text that KP looked strong but complained of being dizzy, which sounds very much like acute mountain sickness. he'll be fin now that they are back down, just might have bee unable to keep anything down for a few hours so needs to recover from that. I'm not worried about his health at this point, just their pace
Dizziness at 3800 m is really common. I'm sure he's not the only racer feeling off.
it's the most likely and most optimistic explanation I can come up with. Still lots of time to recover and claw their way back up
Right now, it looks like Tecnu is part of a group of teams within half a kilometer of one another. If someone on Tecnu was feeling really bad, the other teams would have gotten away. Fingers crossed they're doing OK.
8th place Merrell has been resting west of CP33 for over 1.5 hours, as has 9th place Bones who are 5-6 km behind Merrell. This is the 5th night of a tough race that isn't over yet, and the weather reports haven't been good. It's not so crazy to take a break.
Meanwhile, back at Midcamp, "Limitless Also" started climbing Chirripo 3 hours ago. They took an extra couple of hours to regroup, probably a great idea in this weather.
Interesting... Seagate stopped about 2 km before TA8, and they've been there for about an hour. Either conditions are nasty or they're thinking they can nap better where they are than at the TA. So they may not arrive in 1st place.
I think the ta is not exactly where shown on the map. again.
Doesn't make sense to have dark zone on section 9/ 89km. Why would they not paddle on the sea, cut off would be transition.
I am fairly sure the dark zone on the long flat paddle is gone. Just on the rafting. There was something on sleep monsters about a captains meeting on the start line with this.
the Dark Zone hour of 0430 race time is upon us! Seagate is still on their bikes (Section 7) about 7-9k from the start of the rafting (Section 8, rafting, light blue).
despite all of the comments above I'm still a little confused about how the Dark Zone works (applies to Section 8 rafting or Section 9 paddlng?) so just gonna leave it there.
Thule is another 7-9k behind Seagate on their bikes.
Columbia 10k behind Seagate, having gotten on their bikes just recently.
TECNU HAS RECOVERED! (at least i hope so, their breadcrumbs have some space between them now) they are still on The Big Trek, about 20k remaining, but their last tracker update was 90min ago so they likely have less ground than that to cover before being reunited with their bikes.
We are just getting up in a hotel about 20kms from the TA at the end of the trek waiting to see when Tecnu might be getting closer so we can be there to meet them. I will let you know as soon as I can how they are doing. Tough night for them.
Also, I am pretty sure the dark zone applies only to the rafting section. If you make it, you are good. If not you are stuck there. No other dark zones on the water. I believe that was made clear at the captains meeting. Slice clarified that for me before the race.
Hope all is well with Tecnu and I did see Slice's team yesterday and they were in great spirits. A little bummed about no zip line but they were all smiles and laughs. I wonder if that is still the case?
Correction...Kyle did NOT look dizzy and only that he mentioned he was dizzy from trying to pop his ear drum. In fact, KP was up and ready to go after a quick 5 min ( literally....timer and all) rest. The summit was nasty through the night and no doubt the weather took a toll on everyone...
Thanks for the updates, Hermes and Leanimal!
thanks Brie - just posted on Breathe
LosDobos just pointed out that only the top 3 teams will raft before the dark zone, which will create a big gap back to 4th fairly late in the race. If the leaders finish the race (and that is never assured), the podium is probably decided.
they will also start the rafts in intervals, (i would imagine). pretty narrow river. If the water level is same as earlier this week when I paddled the pacuare raft section, there will not be a ton of sustained paddling...not much flat water. nice mix.
This morning we have Adidas Terrex in 4th, Tecnu in 5th, BMS Multisport in 6th Quasarlontra in 7th, and Merrell in 8th spread out over about 10 km of trail in the last part of The Big Trek.
trek may be closed as of now...not official
A great shot of Getawaystix (Bob Miller). His fiancée Hermes wrote that he went from maps to sleep in seconds but only had a 5 minute nap. I'm trying to find out where she took this pic since Tecnu is still finishing the trek so it had to be further back on the course. And since Bob's light is on, it was probably not midcamp nor the lodge on the secondary summit of Chirripo.
Btw adventure racers, does this photo make you edgy like it does me? Quick, turn off his light so he isn't wasting his batteries!
Just confirmed that this photo was at the summit of Chirripo, which makes sense because it was dark then. Looks like there was a nice building to rest in.
I suspect that only Leanimal's Facebook friends can see these photos but you never know. She has taken some spectacular pics of the trek and some of the top teams. Let me know. If others can't see them, I'll upload a couple.
4th place Adidas Terrex is about 4 km ahead of Tecnu now. BMS Multisport is about 2 km behind Tecnu. It looks like 7th and 8th place teams, Quasarlontra and Merrell, met up at CP34 where both of them are showing tracks from half an hour ago. Bones and OpavaNet are very close together in 9th and 10th place. Good show by OpavaNet to catch up.
Based on the times of the top teams, Adidas Terrex should reach TA7 in the next 2-3 hours.
Looks like Untamed Canada took a little nap at the summit of Chirripo. They are now on the secondary summit and have been moving well.
Yep, each time I look at g-stix's photo, I want to reach in and turn off his headlamp.
Glad it's not just me! :) Speaking of Untamed Canada, here's Leanimal's pic of Jackson5 (Alex Provost) working on maps. He's so clean that I wonder if this was taken pre-race!
Re: the 1-hour stop just before the end of the trek - finally found this again: http://www.breathemag.ca/flashblog/2013/12/05/race...
There's a 1-hour mandatory medical stop at the CP before TA7.
It'll be a bummer if some opportunities for good competition get overridden by the separation by a dark zone....
Oh wait, I already said that long ago.
Looks like Team "Limitless Also" didn't spend much time at the main summit of Chirripo. They have started the trek over to the secondary summit. This is a good sign that weather, altitude, fatigue and injuries aren't affecting them too much. It would be tempting to take a longer break indoors as some other teams have done but they're wise to use these daylight hours for trekking as long as they're feeling OK.
If several teams hit the raft put-in in a short span of time, I wonder if they will have enough rafts and guides for everyone? It would be a shame if they got into the mess of time credits, etc., some teams resting off the clock.
Go Unlimited Phat Slices!!
everything looks so clean in that pic of Jackson 5 that it must be pre-race.
Glad to see them moving well and apparently healthy!!!
Now I want to see them blow by SXM (the Cdn imposters) :-)
... I actually don't know what country two SXM members are from... and we could accept Ciril as an honourary Canuck if req'd :-)
Great photos by Leanimal! Eerie fog and teams coming off a wet trek.
And a great one of a Seagate(?) racer racing in his pajamas....
When I googled, the 3 men on SXM came up in race results as French citizens (with one from St. Martin) and the woman came up as Russian. But that is just Google talking. As Wilberto said, we'll cheer for anyone who wants to represent our country!
Maybe Nathan would like another passport?.... :)
The top 3 teams are rafting. Seagate's tracker hasn't updated in over 2 hours so they are probably getting near the end where they will switch to their wonderful Tomcat kayaks for the next 89 km. Oh goodie.
Sleepmonsters has a photo of Seagate on the rafting sectionhttps://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=6321936934...
Btw Columbia (3rd) is much closer to Thule (2nd) than Thule is to Seagate.
And a story about AXA Adidas' decision to withdraw. It hasn't been a good ARWC for Swedes....http://www.sleepmonsters.com/v2_races.php?article_...
Nice rafting photo! Half the teammates look worried; the other half look zoned out.
From LosDobos re race status. In such a tough race, I'm surprised to see the numbers so low after 5 days. Great job.
The Leaderboard has just updated to reflect all 9 retired teams.
Agrocontrole - MACO - Specialized
Enigma Selva Aventura
Hyundai Costa Rica Spirit
La Ruta Landrover
Rios y Canoas Colombia
Sportovia TRAIL team
4 teams are continuing the race unranked:
Hombres de Maiz
Something I've been wondering about... People talked about neutralizing time around the zipline when it had to be shut down - or giving time penalties to teams who skipped the zipline instead of waiting. I haven't heard anything about this since, and I'm wondering if it's been forgotten or if there will be adjustments to the leaderboard. I hope not.
Oh yeah,.... And didn't they say they would hold teams before the finish line so that they cross the line in proper physical order?
I believe so - although it's hard to know since some of the written instructions were superseded by captain's instructions that we may or may not have heard about.
Untamed Canada stopped for about 2 hours on the secondary summit but they are heading into the valley now.
The chase pack is fairly evenly spread out with 2-5 km between teams: Adidas Terrex (4th), Tecnu, BMS Multisport, Quasarlontra, Merrell (8th).
Then there's a big space before Bones and OpavaNet in 9th and 10th. And it is possible that I should be saying OpavaNet and Bones in that order. We'll need another track to be sure. They may be trekking together.
The chase teams know they're going to be caught by the dark zone and will get lots of R&R time. Given how short the next bike ride is, there's no point pushing too hard now.
Seagate is pulling away! Looking at the bike section splits:
Wow, put the pedal down!
But Columbia had a much faster trek from CP27 to CP37 than Seagate or Thule (about 2 hours faster), and Seagate about 2 hours faster than Thule.
Seagate is done the rafting and onto the next paddle section
I trekked up Cerro Uran and then followed and filmed Seagate from Cerro Uran to CP 34 and then with Columbia from there to the bike transition. It was incredible at CP 32 to watch all hell break loose when Columbia showed up there - Seagate was out the door an hour earlier than planned (I think partially because it was very cold in the hut) and Thule (who, when they arrived, literally dropped their packs, laid on the floor and went to sleep) busted out of there once Columbia showed up.
I walked out the door of the CP at Cerro Uran with Seagate and it took them nearly an hour to find the right trail in the clouds/fog. Lots of nav difficulties for Seagate from CP 32-34 including a ~160m very steep scramble up from the first river crossing only to not find the trail, then back down to the water to talk to the staff there (who were indicating where to go) and then a scramble back up, but higher.
The trek itself is quite tough with continuous steep ups and downs with a few small exceptions) and quite muddy in sections. Feet were were wet for a big part of the section. About 90% or more was in thick vegetation, sometimes where you couldn't see down to your feet because of all of the growth. Seagate were quite composed and looking strong - just frustrated with the maps and a few unlucky nav errors. Columbia also seemed to be in good shape and moving relatively well with a few nav challenges of their own.
My next filming mission is to follow the 3 lead teams on the next 3-4 hour trekking section, which I'm told is a mud and snake-fest!. Should be interesting... I'll send along any updates if I can.
Wow, great information. Thanks, Relentless! I'll bet you got some amazing video.
Cool update Relentless! Can't wait to see the films!!!
Exciting that the top teams are seeing each other (and getting a bit startled by it) so far into such a long race!!
Thanks for the report Relentless!
IMHO that was the coolest update yet (or ever)
I picture FB cracking a beer to celebrate :)
I just looked it up and confirmed that Cerro Uran is the correct name for what we've been calling the "secondary peak" of Chirripo. It's the 7th highest peak in Costa Rica. Chirripo is the highest.
I love how nonchalant Relentless is about "following" the top AR team in the world on what sounds like a very tough trek while doing extra work to film them. Sure, he's probably slept a little more than they have this week but still...
I was thinking the same thing! If I managed to "keep Seagate in sight for 3 minutes", it would become my new Facebook status ;)
And then I would comment, "Was it tougher than that time we climbed a mountain with Conrad Anker?" :)
Btw OpavaNet has passed Bones to move into 9th place. It's been kinda looking like that for awhile but we finally got the tracker data to prove it.
I trekked with the race maps and they are not easy at all - for the most part there's one or two trails marked on the maps that are labeled with something to the effect (in Spanish) that the marked trail is "approximately" where it is indicated. What it doesn't say is that there are dozens and dozens of trails everywhere that are not on the map. For the most part it was basically "try to stay on the main trail" kind of navigating.
Oh no! Andreas Strand is retiring/taking a break! :(
Best photographer I have ever seen and he is so great at capturing the moods, emotions and experiences of AR. http://www.andreasstrand.se/2013/12/raceday-6-and-...
@Relentless: That explains why a few of the tracks looked so different on a trek that was supposed to be all on trail.
If you're still there, how was the weather when you were out there?
Bash: we totally left Conrad Anker in the dust on that climb!
CO, that *is* sad about Andreas Strand. I just posted a "thank you" comment on his blog (awaiting moderation). I met him at The Apex Race - such talent.
CO... I would have, but I have to coach my girls (hockey) in a couple hours... I'll raise one to relentless afterwards :-)
Just checked the RD estimates for the upcoming sections.
From the place where the chase teams will be held for the dark zone, the time estimate (excluding TAs) is 37-59 hours.
The time estimate for the trek to the rafting put-in plus the rafting was 4-5 hours. So the winner could reach the finish line on Sunday evening. Uh oh, could be a late night.
The chase teams should start finishing on Monday evening.
@Bash, up top at Cerro Uran it was cold and windy the entire time with clouds blasting through regularly to block all visibility. I would guess it was probably ~5C, overnight. Not all that pleasant. As I mentioned, Seagate was planning a 3 hour sleep and just before Columbia came in, I could hear them all saying they were cold and that maybe they should just get up... Then Columbia showed up and finalized that plan :-).
I'm finally down to lower ground where there's some warmth and sunshine.
Thanks! Must be so hard for racers to change climates so many times in a week.
Watch out for snakes, OK?
Salomon-Suunto Nutrend and Aerodiva are now just 2 km behind Bones, the 10th place team on the tracker. Antioquia Trangoworld hasn't updated in awhile and had been close to these teams but I suspect AT is resting at CP32 where the last two tracks appeared.
Yeah, there's a massive difference between Chirripo and Uran vs being just about anywhere else. Very hard on the body no doubt.
I've got my knee-high gaitors ready to go for the next trek.
Forgot to mention the toll of the last hike on my gear!
1. Ruined a nearly new pair of shoes
2. Tore a big hole in my tights
3. Tore a hole in my rain pants
4. Snapped a clasp off of a literally brand new pair of gaitors
... and technically I wasn't even racing!
Like I said, it was a tough hike. I won't be surprised if this trek breaks a number of teams. I think CP 36 (medical assistance) is going to be a busy place...
FYI - CP 32 is a large mountain hut with foam mattresses and a few blankets, along with CP staff who are providing hot water to teams, so I wouldn't be surprised if most teams sleep there or stay a while. The only downside is that overnight it was actually colder in the building (with the wind blowing up from under the floorboards) than outside... oh, and the CP staff were periodically running a gas generator INDOORS for power in the evening. The smell/exhaust and the noise were terrible - not to mention the carbon monoxide. Not pleasant or safe, but otherwise a good place for teams to take an extended break
Thanks these on-the-ground updates, Relentless! Really paints a picture. I'm always impressed with photographers/videographers who have to put up with most of the hardships of the athletes - with a camera in hand, and few accolades. :)
Is Seagate's 5th teammate in the rafting photo a river guide?
EDIT: what I'm actually saying is that I would not have thought that teams don't just have to figure it out on their own.
Glad you made it, Relentless! Thanks for the updates.
It's common for ARs to provide rafting guides for class IV-V, as most racers aren't sufficiently skilled to handle any trouble that may arise. Although... last year's ARWC in France went through big water without guides. I can't remember the class.
I hope Tecnu gets that dude that BRO described, the dude coming off a world champs of his own just now. :)
900 posts in this thread. Ken, if you're out there... what is the longest-ever thread on Attackpoint? Not that we're competitive or anything.
The second best is now last year's ARWC thread, at 640.
Geez, that took you almost 30 seconds to respond. I'm *always* complaining about the customer service on Attackpoint. ;)
P.S. Wow. I hope this doesn't cause you any trouble re server traffic, etc.
I wonder how many 'hits' this page got so far?
All I know is that just before 500 posts, Ken added a couple of new features to make it easier for us to manage long threads.
It would also be interesting to know how many individuals have visited this thread and where they're from, although I have no idea if that can be tracked.
All good. This is great stuff guys, keep it up. I have been lurking around most of the week to make sure the new stuff was working properly. But now I'm here because of all the great updates :)
I do have those kind of stats somewhere, I can post a summary a bit later.
Phew! OK, back to our regularly scheduled program. :) Some inside observations from lead team Seagate on The Big Trek.
Chris Forne said, “It was good to navigate using contours and not trails for a while, and we passed Thule one time when took a sneaky line, but we did have our disasters and lost some time as well. It was good to navigate through some forest too and see some of the wildlife.”
The teams didn’t get the best of the views after 2 nights on the summits, but Nathan Fa’avae commented, “We did see some of the city lights below when the cloud cleared, but didn’t really encounter any of the native tribes people. Except for one who knew we were coming and had some food laid out, which was welcome.”
4th place Adidas Terrex has officially completed The Big Trek in 42.5 hours. The original race summary estimated this trek at 33-65 hours. Their track just appeared but they've been in for over an hour.
So Adidas just finished the trek ahead of Tecnu. Now that everyone will be dark zoned, how much can these teams afford to relax a bit? Will they leave the dark zone at the same time, or according to how soon they arrived initially?
EDIT: has this been answered already, and I'm too dense to understand the neutralization/non-neutralization?
Some great updates since I was last on, thanks all! Awesome to hear Relentless' first hand experience with the lead group. Sucks to hear about the "broken" gear.
COME ON TECNU! Let's finish this SON OF A !?#?! TREK.
I haven't been able to follow closely, but it seems like Bones gave up a bit of time on the big trek. Hope nothing too serious. If they (and Tecnu?) suffered AMS, I can see an altitude bed or two in people's' future.
bash - where did that quote come from?
Happy Birthday, DD11!
@Clean: They have lots of time to sleep, eat and treat injuries before and after the 40 km bike ride. It will be disappointing for them to confirm that the 3 lead teams all made the dark zone but they've undoubtedly suspected that. The chase pack will be able to race faster tomorrow after taking care of themselves - which is good and bad news if you're in the chase pack. :) When someone has the energy, it will be interesting to start guessing where the line in the sand will be drawn, i.e. how many teams will leave TA8 between 5:00 and 14:00 tomorrow. That's not really a big window.
Looks like there is a 4 km road run from TA8 to get to the rafts so teams will probably sprint to the water's edge at 5 a.m. Organizers normally implement some kind of interval start when teams are restarting after a dark zone, e.g. rafts leave every 2 minutes based on order of arrival. They may still do that but it may be based on order of arrival from the run to the water, not the order of arrival at the dark zone.
World Champs are in Ecuador in 2014; we raced there twice and personally felt the crush of 16,000+ ft (5,000+ meters for our non-American amigos). I think Kyle Peter was saving for a Gamov bag or another altitude sleep sack last we spoke about 2014 already
Hey Untamed, are you taking Bob's place, now that they need an American navigator? ;)
Sleep high, train low is the best for altitude training, but it's good to do some training at altitude so you get to know how your body reacts.
look at us, already discussing tactics for next year :)
@Afsheen, I wouldn't worry too much about minor differences in pace for the chase pack over the past half-day. They can either take one big rest during the dark zone or they can ease off on the pace and arrive at the dark zone a little less tired. There's no point in racing too hard right now so we're probably just seeing different strategies.
Better get me a jet pack if I'm to keep up with Tecnu!
2014 it's still allowed 1 racer from a diff nationality, I think. 2015 is all single-nationality for the official result
Oh, that's right! Good, you have more time to train.
Interesting to hear estimates for top finishing times. After a few really long legs it's nice to see a few "quicker" legs…well at least for some. I wonder how that final long MTB will be.
You guys are amazing thanks. Go team Moreorless 2.
Tecnu has officially come in off the 2nd Trek in a time of 47:08. Hopefully they are able to get some medical treatment (if needed) and rest. Still lots of race left for 4th!!!
And still maybe a race for the podium because anything can happen. Remember Haglofs Silva seemed to have a lock on the podium before a minor bike accident!
Hope Tecnu can recover from whatever slowed them down on the big trek. Can't wait for details about their experience up there.
Adidas Terrex and Tecnu didn't waste any time after their mandatory medical check-ups near the end of The Big Trek. Looks like both teams just assembled their bikes at the TA and took off. They should arrive at TA8 in 5-6 hours (around 8-9 p.m.), and they'll be able to rest, review the final set of maps, and take care of themselves until 5 a.m.
It will be good to hear from Hermes and Leanimal after they've talked with our friends on Tecnu. They've had a good day - nothing obviously worrisome in their track, and they've been moving as well as or better than the other teams in the chase pack. So it probably was some kind of altitude or stomach issue that has improved. If it were a physical injury, they wouldn't have been able to come back this well. Go Tecnu!
Untamed Canada is a little more than halfway to CP33 from Cerro Uran, one or two teams behind our Canadian-French-Russian friends, SXM.
"Limitless Also" is just arriving at Cerro Uran.
GD44 of Endurancelife is a quarter of the way across from Cerro Chirripo to Cerro Uran.
Meanwhile, back at Midcamp, they are probably awaiting one last team - the Canadian squad and current Lanterne Rouge, Epic Endurance.
Is Epic Endurance still ranked? I have them as being unranked but can't recall if that was a result of the mangrove paddle.
Good job guys on all the updates, I go to work for a few hours and return to see a new world unfold!
Come on Tecnu!!!!
DD11, I had thought Epic Endurance was unranked a long time ago too, but they didn't appear on the recent list of unranked teams on the leaderboard. They had their tracker replaced before the mangroves, and there was some confusion when the tracker's car trip appeared on the map. I think someone said they were unranked because it appeared that they'd been driven to a later TA but that turned out to be just their tracker, not the team. From a cursory glance at their mangrove track, it looks like they visited all the CPs. The leaderboard doesn't have their mangrove split yet though.
they are ranked to the best of my knowledge
Thule and Seagate might not be too far apart...
Thule's dot on the map is actually a little ahead of Seagate's right now, but of course that can be because they update at different times. But if you check the update times, there is only a 10-minute difference: 16:10 versus 16:20. So.... They might be quite close, i.e. less than 10 minutes apart??!!
Thule's tracker update is now at 17:00 versus 16:30 for Seagate, showing Thule a bit more ahead of Seagate with that difference in update time....
Looking forward to a more comparable set of update times to try to figure out if the two teams are really close.
Here's Los Dobos' note on Breathe about Thule and Seagatehttp://www.breathemag.ca/flashblog/2013/12/07/seag...
The leaderboard is not quite up to date, as it has Yogaslackers still on the bike, not through mid-camp and on the monster trek as we know they are. Not sure of other teams.
This thread makes me feel like AR isn't dying after all! And how incredibly awesome that we are back to the roots of AR with the super challenging course in CR!!!
This race sooooo deserves to be covered on TV!! What battles we have underway: first and second may be neck and neck, or are Seagate so good that they are just toying with Thule and know that they will pass them on the coastal paddle and/or bike section; first, second and third place catching and seeing each other at CPs and rushing each other out of potential sleeping spots; a massive battle for fourth place about to launch tomorrow with several excellent teams; an incredible race course with the already-notorious mangrove, huge elevation, some mega-slog bike push sections, ...
... Is there anything this good on TV these days?! (No)
This is very close.........................Awesome
Nothing even close to this on current TV. Hey, producers, are you listening?
The "Limitless" producers should devote several episodes to covering this race. They should also grab as much footage as they can from the race organizers and others. If the race organizers and others are wise, they would give them all the footage they have in the interest of getting even more exposure for their sponsors.
Hmmm... Seagate's dot is a little ahead of Thule's dot, but 31 minutes later (19:11 upload versus 18:40). So Seagate may not be in the lead.... Yet. (Just sayin'...)
Wild Racers is also there doing a TV show of the event and did excellent 2hr episodes of 4 ARWC races last year. They have had some trouble getting distribution in various markets and are on a obscure channel in US (MavTV)
Yeah, we never saw that coverage in Canada. We kept waiting. Any chance you know how to get a copy of it?
this would make great TV... looking for Thule to pass Seagate at the finish line, awesome......Go MoreOrLess2 great following everyone her ... maybe someday ill paddle the mangroves :-)
Just checking in from Tortuguero (Transition from paddle to trek). What an amazing place! We got here by water taxi, which consisted of a 40-year boat taxi veteran hammering into the corners of the river bends like he was driving a race car. It was very impressive and a little scary.
Does anyone have an estimate on when the lead team should arrive at the transition to the trek? I need to know what time I need to wake up so I can be there on time to film them and you guys seem to be on top of things better than anyone else!
thanks for the breathe link
Mangroves: the next suffer-travel destination. Along with bat poo caves in Borneo and leptospirosis river swims in Fiji. :)
Oh, and do we want to talk about Tomcats again?... :)
Thule's tracker has not updated for a long time, making it look like Seagate is several kilometers ahead
Relentless, if you have the race maps, Seagate is now on the part of the paddle that runs parallel to the coast in a northwest direction. They've gone about 5 km since (almost) hitting the coast. I'll see if I can figure out what that translates to in terms of time.
The catch is, Thule may be ahead, and they haven't tracked recently.
Relentless, if my understanding is correct:
The kayak section is 89 km, yes? If these teams are able to do about 6 km per hour, that would take 15 hours. Thule left the TA about 6.5 hours ago; Seagate was probably similar (after their nap). On the tracking map, they appear to be about halfway through the kayak section. So I would guess they will arrive in 6 to 8 hours??? My confidence in my guess is medium to low, but it gives you a starting point to work from.
(Posted at 7:20 pm Alberta time (mountain, one hour behind central)
We'll see what Bash estimates, and compare. That may help us zero in on an estimate a little better.
Given the battle that is happening, I can confidently say we are probably going to witness speed records for Tomcats! :)
I was going to say something similar. The organizers estimated 16 hours for the fastest team but if they don't sleep, I think they may be faster than that. I'd guesstimate about 40 km more of paddling, and it looks like it took Seagate about an hour to do the last 5 km. Thule may be half an hour ahead of them but that may not last, given Seagate's paddling abilities.
Bottom line, I was going to suggest that you're probably safe to sleep for 6-ish hours. Based on the route on our map, you should see them going past to get a CP, then they'll return to the TA. If you've got race maps, you can probably figure out how to watch for them.
Relentless, do you want us to text you to wake you up? ;)
Make that 5-ish hours of sleep to be safe since that should be plenty for a guy like you. :)
Just want to note how awesome it is, to have people from around the world connected on AP, sending positive vibes to the teams, making funny commentary here....I am learing so much:) Thanks for being here and keeping me company:)))
So... Now that the big trek over the mountain has been closed, teams will be short-coursed. Do they get taken to the rafting put-in? If so, my next question is: will they start with the rest of the teams in the morning? What if they get in the way of the battle for fourth place? If so, they should start the short-course teams in a second wave, with enough time for the full-course teams to move out of the way.
Myra, I couldn't agree more! After spending days "with" all of you, I feel like we should go out together to celebrate the finish. FB would suggest beers....
AP is awesome!
Ken, should we be letting Facebook and Breathe readers know that we have such amazing, insightful discussion going on here? Not sure if you are keen to have more traffic on AP or not.
And I love that when I go to sleep, someone on another continent is keeping track and commenting. When I wake up, I can scroll through and re-live what I slept through. It feels like an awesome team effort!
Go Team AP! :)
Ken anticipated this. :) From the Attackpoint Facebook page
on Dec. 1:
ARWC 2013 begins in less than 24 hours! Looks like we will have great coverage again this year...but will it be the biggest discussion thread ever?
And yes, I am loving this. This is the first time we've had so much interaction with people at the event, which is really cool. And big thanks to the "night shift" who add news to this thread while we sleep in North America.
If teams get short-coursed to the start of the rafting, there is still a looong way to go to the finish and less experienced and less competitive teams will not be as fast as the top teams in the tomcats. It will be interesting to see if any of those teams will need close to the maximum allowed time to finish the race.
Thanks AP'ers. You guys are awesome. I don't yet have the race maps for this section, but that gives me an idea of when to expect the teams. Bash, thanks for the offer to text me - I should be alright. It's quite warm and about 100% humidity and I'm in a little "motel" room with only a small fan and sweating my butt off, so I doubt that I'll be sleeping much anyways ;-)
I agree with Bash and CO. If I can't race, what better place to be than here on AP?!
Whoever may be awake tonight, let's try to keep this thread updated with the leaders' locations in case Relentless wakes up in a sweat and decides to check his phone.
Way to go lantern rouge team Epic Endurance and Andrew Fairhurst (of Full Moon in June AR, and Sinister7 ultra). They just made it to mid-camp a while ago. Rest up, eat well and keep fighting for that finish line!
Will somebody PLEEEEEEEEASE smack the "update" or "refresh" button on Thule's tracker???! This is killing me! :)
Soon it will *look* like Columbia has passed Thule....
Oh well, keeping it a mystery until the first team hits the TA.... Kinda like if you were there in person waiting at the kayak take-out. Kinda like the dark ages before AP...
Carbon, I do not know how to get a copy of the Wild Racers and it almost impossible to find MavTV on any service providers in the US. It seems they plan on holding the episodes until they exhaust all their potential distribution deals and if I recall they plan on showing the episodes in the US over a 2 year span. Hopefully, they will release to DVD because they are excellent. I know people in Australia really enjoyed seeing the races.
Looking at the tracking map, it looks like the Cornmen (Team 46) have taken a wrong turn and gone way off course on the mountain bike leg that precedes mid-camp? Like about 20 km to the west? They may be stopped at a river crossing that really doesn't match where they expect to be.... Maybe trying to figure out where they've ended up...
Team 46 Hombres de Maiz are unranked but not yet retired, according to the leaderboard. I think they were the last team to finish the mangrove paddle but they didn't do the bike ride afterward since their check-in time at midcamp (00:10 today) shows a 4.5 hour bike split on a section that took Seagate over 16 hours. They are probably being transported forward on the course - or maybe they are retired since they haven't started tracking on the course again.
Oh wait, they're on highway 243 (the highway is the line on the map that i thought was a river they they were intersecting). Itlooks like they may be trying to take good roads for as much of the distance as they can to get close to the end of the bike leg, and then cut across to the TA.
I think 46 took good roads because they were in a truck. :)
14 seems to be off course as well...
Last tracked breadcrumb for 46 was yesterday night.... So it's anyone's guess! Hope they're okay.
Thanks cortelmcm. The race in tassie sure was fun and when ee ran into the camera crew he mentioned we were in it. I just have to be patient for a few more years before I get to see it I guess :)
That's interesting, Myka. #14 BMS Multisport was on the right course, then they turned around to head west on roads. I wonder if they're heading toward those villages in search of food and a dry place to nap before their 5 a.m. start. Maybe nicer than hanging out at the TA?
Ha, yes Bash's comment ties it all together and was my next thought.... Hombres de Camion :). (Truck Men)
I'm afraid Thule's tracker may have been taken by a crocodile.
Re: team # 14 and others:
Yes, I can't help but think that if you are spending the night at the TA, waiting for the dark zone to lift.... Why not just find a hotel nearby and have a better quality sleep, then be able to race even harder the next day? Especially if it is a mass restart, essentially a tie. (Oh no, I'm I giving away too much strategy that I may want to use in my next race?! :)
Yikes, don't say that! Maybe it was just a monkey!
Columbia is only about 5 km away from encountering the crocodile! But it sounds like it is already full....
I keep poking Thule's tracker on the screen, but it won't wake up. Come on!!
My iPad has a dent in it now....
The question is, what respectible hotel would take them, in their '6 days of racing' condition?
BTW, we are 13 posts away from 1000.....I so want to be 1000th hitter! ;)
1 US dollar = almost 500 Costa Rican Colon right now....
Si señor, bienvenido!
(Translation: your dollars and stinky friends are welcome at my hotel. I won't ask why you all dress the same in those silly numbered shirts....)
How many dollars do you think they carry?
Myra: you already saw the discussion about the prize for 500, therefore what would the 1000 prize be??! :)
Oh, I am so excited.....you have no idea CO! I like surprises....
I've always carried $20, each of my teammates usually does, but I will probably carry more in the future. I also carry a credit card "it's everywhere you want to be"
I just did a search in the Torrent engine I use for 'Wild Racers' and came up with 1 hit, started to download it and figured I had better check it out before wasting bandwidth. Good thing I did! it was a Japanese Car Racing flick, not in english, no mud, no trees, no water but shiny cars and skimpy clad women! (at least on the cover of the screen shot!). Will keep searching...
The slight lull makes me wonder if everyone is counting the posts since Myka said "13 to go" and getting ready to send?!
Maybe we do need to think of a cool prize....
If the winner gets themselves to Calgary soon, we can show you what -30Cis like....
How about 1000 Costa Rican Colons? ;)
For my 1000th post prize, I want to see Thule's tracker wake up!! :)
The Wild Racers AR short videos are all on Vimeo, but I'd like to see what they put together for the TV show.
sorry for distracting you, CO....;)
Thule just updated? I checked again and it still showed me 18:40 as their last update time. Are you able to see something different?
JOE!!!!!!!!! ....not nice!
and you gave CO a heart attack...
I think Myka got number 1000 while I was distracted and tricked! Or maybe I got it on my reply!????!
can someone recount all the posts? Joe?
We must be past number 1000? Who got it? And what's the prize?
I think it was Myka's "apology" that got 1000. Dirty.
wait, Joe is counting....
you can always delete comment 998
NOOOOOO, I think it was Joe's "made you look". Even dirtier! The dirtiest of the dirty!
filthy me. what do I win?
Yep....How can we find him? ....to give him the prize, of course! ;)
I should add I am watching Dirty Dancing at the moment.
I definitely have enough of my own comments available to me to delete in order to manipulate the score, but I can't bear to delete any of my wonderful input. Each one is like one of my children....
I am a patient woman, will wait for my 2000th prize
Well, CO's comment over there goes with your movie's subject
If Thule's tracker will update, I'll get us to 2000.
If Thule's tracker doesn't update, arrrrrrrgh, stress, complain, rant,.... I'll get us to 3000
If I were Joe, I'd definitely be hiding the confession about the movie I'm watching
THULE, WAKE UP...please!!!!
Now that the system is hiding the first 1000 comments, it appears that Joe's "made you look" may have actually been comment 1001...
(Yes, I'm still fussing over this.... Like I said earlier, OCD.... Gotta go, gotta make sure I turned off the oven....)
Now that CO has given away his race hotel secrets, it appears that BMS Multisport was merely taking an alternate route to the TA, which is where they are now. Looking back, it appears that other teams have done the same thing while we weren't paying attention to that part of the map.
Hmmm, not much to talk about with Thule's tracker being asleep....
....look at Seagate go.... In the lead.... Or not....
.... Look at all the racers sitting at TA8.... Still sitting.....
Okay, time to look for some teams that are moving and follow them. Or maybe now is a good time to bank some sleep for tomorrow.
Bank some sleep? Before we figure out what's going on with Merrell Adventure Addicts who haven't started the bike ride for some reason?
Oh man, those teams are following AP and scooping my secrets!
(Still not as dirty as Joe's trick...)
Merrell having a couple of hours sleep before heading out on the bikes? No need to get to TA8 too soon.
I guess there are several teams on the big mountain trek to follow online tonight. Oh man, I thought I was going to get some sleep. Anyone got any caffeine pills?...
So... we have the top 3 teams (Thule, Seagate, Columbia) or (Seagate, Thule, Columbia) at least halfway through the 89 km kayak paddle.
At TA8, waiting for the dark zone to lift at 5 a.m., we have Adidas Terrex, Tecnu, BMS Multisport and Quasarlontra. Tecnu is actually ranked in 4th ahead of Adidas Terrex but Adidas' time at TA8 looks wrong. Regardless, Tecnu caught up with Adidas on that ride and finished it within a few minutes of them. They've recovered nicely.
The 8th place team is Merrell, who had been with this chase pack but hasn't started the bike yet. Bike splits have been 5-7 hours so there isn't *that* much time left before the 5 a.m. start, especially considering that they have to take their bikes apart and put them in boxes.
Bones and OpavaNet are in 9th and 10th and should be arriving at TA7 (end of The Big Trek) soon.
True Bash, it's getting a bit late for Merrell to not be hurrying to TA8 yet....
wow, spent all day away from the 'puter and look what happens, 1000+ comments! AP is awesome! thanks for the recap Bash and now i can't wait to see how this all shakes out, it's like a whole new race for 4th! dig deep!
Omigosh, look whose symbol is hiding underneath Merrell's. Team Aerodiva is at TA7 too - in 9th place. They've passed Bones and OpavaNet. Wow!
Looking at Unlimited Phat Slices' (17) breadcrumbs, I wonder if they almost descended the wrong ridge, but noticed they were heading in the wrong direction?
Silkychrome: yes, some exciting competition.... at AP! And some okay competition at ARWC :)
Right now it is 6.5 hours until the dark zone lifts. As of half an hour ago, nobody was on the bike leg between TA7 and TA8. So I'm thinking that only 4 teams will be at the start when the dark zone lifts tomorrow at 5 a.m.
From 5 a.m. to 2 p.m., teams can leave TA8 - BUT they have to be off the rafts by 5:30 p.m. The top teams have taken about 5 hours from TA8 to TA9. So realistically, any team that doesn't leave TA8 by noon is probably going to be stuck behind Saturday night's dark zone somewhere before TA9.
So... how many teams will get through?
where was the medical check?
Man, more dark zone cut-off excitement tomorrow!
Aaaaaaaaand morning shift logging on from sunny south africa. With the parking lot at ta8 it's time to look further down the field for juicy stories
Shebeen, so glad you're here. We can sleep easier now. :)
Joe, the medical check was at CP36 shortly before the end of The Big Trek. Here's the link from Breathe Mag.
The control description was "Hospital". :)
Merrell still hasn't left TA7.... (Is this where the medical check is, with the mandatory 1-hour stop? Still, they've been there for 3 hours... Come on guys! If they leave very very soon, maybe they could be putting rafts in at the same time as the others battling for fourth!)
Ah, if the medical check was at CP36, then this isn't part of their 3 hour stop at CP37 / TA7
Hmm, sounds like the dark zone lifts earlier than 5 a.m. at TA8, and teams will be allowed to walk down to the water together like civilized folk. This is from Tecnu's Facebook page.
"We passed the team halfway to the next TA as its only a short 4-5 hour mt. bike ride, and they were having fun cruising along in single file. They hammed it up for our cameras, and then we split off. They looked great, and will get to the transition area, do their gear, eat, and get a long overnight sleep. They will be the most well rested team there, and will be ready to rock for the 4:30 a.m walk down to the rafting section. They should have 4-5 teams there with them ready for the race start at 5 a.m. We will walk down with them in the morning to start the rafting section. The teams mildly upset to not be up in the top three and be ahead of the dark zone and still racing, but I am sure they will enjoy the semi rest day, and the race for the top 4 at the World Championships."
CO, if you look at Merrell's track (and everybody's track), there is usually a 40-minute stop at CP36 - 3 little dots.
Yes, shebeen, keep an eye on Merrell (I'm sure you would anyway :)
Trying to figure out what's going on with them.
And at the front of the race course, we don't know where Thule really is because their tracker isn't updating. Somewhere close to Seagate but not sure who is in front. The TA at the end of the kayaking may be the first confirmation.
I'm sure Relentless will enjoy the surprise.
It took the top teams 7-8 hours to get from CP34 (the last marked green CP on the trek map) to the end of The Big Trek.
The bike ride (including time at TA7) has been taking 5-7 hours.
So I'd estimate that any team that hasn't reached CP34 by now will be caught somewhere behind Saturday night's dark zone - at the TA or along the river. And given that these teams aren't likely to move as fast as the top teams, some of them who are past CP34 may get caught anyway.
Aerodiva just left TA7, moving into 8th place. Merrell tracked at the same time, still at the TA. Wish we knew what was going on. They've had such a great race till now.
Wow busy night on here despite the dark zone!! Nice to see! Did anyone else find Relentless comment about the hotel humorous? One night he's with the lead team in freezing temps on top of the mountain, the next he's hot humid sweaty hotel room. That's AR for you..
Has Thule updated yet?? :) What's going on with Merrell?? Good on Aerodiva for the big move up the leader board. Haven't seen anything on Untamed Canada, how they doing?
Untamed Canada is moving along on The Big Trek, just ahead of Gear Junkies/Yoga Slackers. It looks like they've been stopped in their current location for a few hours for a nap. They're only 2 km from CP33 where Tecnu stopped last night so I guess they're running about a day behind.
Leanimal has posted some more beautiful photos, mostly of Tecnu on the trek and in the medical check. Not sure if you need to be her Facebook friend but give it a try.
If you haven't checked out AP's legendaryrandy's pics on FB, make sure you do. He's got some great shots from his travels.
One of the Mangrove Cps.
Wow looks like Thule is about 5km ahead of Seagate. Not sure how close they were the last time their tracker was up to date.
Simon, you're a master of suspense! :) Holy crap, Thule is 7-8 km ahead of Seagate. I wish I had Relentless' phone number handy.
Yay! Thule updated! Yes yes yes OMG OMG!
Actually, I think Relentless should be fine based on our estimates. But still. Wow.
So excited I almost forgot to mention that Legendaryrandy's full set of photos is here.
Based on their next tracks, I'd estimate Thule and Seagate to be 6-7 km apart. Nobody passes Seagate on a paddling section. Amazing.
Meanwhile, back in the Mountains, Team "Limitless Also" spent over 5 hours on Cerro Uran. I wonder if someone was feeling the altitude. Unfortunately, Cerro Uran is pretty high so it isn't a great place to recover, even though racers wouldn't have much choice if they were feeling bad. They are now on their way down into the valley so all seems to be well.
Merrell has left TA7! Hopefully they just decided it was a better time and place for them to sleep.
Or was Thule always in the lead (because of Seagate's nap before the kayak?)?
Still, super impressive to hold off Seagate like this, and even increase their lead, I think.
Wow, I'm such a biased Seagate fan that I figured it was just a matter of time until they took their "rightful place" in the lead, but it looks like Thule is just as deserving!
Brilliant deduction, Watson. Yes, at the earliest tracking point I can find on the paddle, Thule was about 15 minutes ahead of Seagate. But still, they have been gaining.
Super glad to hear that Merrell is on the move. It will be interesting to see when they get to the rafts! Their sleep will be a little less recent than the teams ahead of them.
And Seagate has Thule cornered in a situation where I don't know when Thule will feel like they can stop to sleep. It's like chess!
They've got me cornered too; with all this action, I feel Ike I can't go to sleep either!
Bash aren't you heading to Burlington early morn?? :)
I checked this half a dozen times because I could hardly believe it. Thule passed Seagate's current location 80 minutes ago.
Looks like OpavaNet will finish The Big Trek in 10th place - not that a small lead over Bones will make much difference with the dark zone ahead. But great trekking by OpavaNet regardless. And Aerodiva too - good stuff.
Wow, am I allowed to have two biases? (Two favourite teams). 80 minutes ahead of Seagate on a paddle??? They may have gained an hour??!
This race is awesome!!
Very impressive by Thule. Gonna be a great end to this tomorrow night!
Yes - Bash! See you in the morn!
From Wild Racer's (thanks Breathe).http://vimeo.com/81299186
More nightmares of mangroves coming for me.
Looking ahead to tomorrow's dark zone, if my guesstimate was close, the top 15 teams will finish the rafting by sunset on Sunday. I think that on Tuesday at 14:00 (Day 9 of the race), they start bussing teams forward to the final couple of stages. Forget the racers... these race organizers have a lot of endurance.
Great video to help visualize the terrain!
Here's an interview Legendaryrandy did with Nathan Fa'avae at midcamp. (Thanks, LosDobos.)
If you're checking this, Relentless, Thule will likely arrive first. They're still about 20-25 km away at midnight your time, and it doesn't look like they're doing much better than 5 kph in those lovely Tomcats. Enjoy your hotel awhile longer.
Over to you, Night Shift in New Zealand, South Africa and wherever else you may be. If you can keep Relentless updated about when he needs to get up to film the 1st place team arriving off the kayak section, that would be great - thanks!
A bit worried about Seagate. The last update looks like they may have taken a wrong turn on the paddle. Hope they sort it out quickly.
Looks like they're back on track now and heading back to the correct channel. More time lost to Thule though.
....it actually looks like they've corrected their first mistake and now heading up another wrong channel. Must be tough out there!
Seagate are now back on track but look to be 8-9kms behind Thule now.
just got sent to the shops, came back with amongest other things - some costa rican coffee. kettle is on, will update on the aroma of mangrove brown stuff shortly.
state of the race for spot 4 as I see it on the trackers - 9:30 am central african time, 1:30am costa rica time. looks like we will have 6 teams lining up for a 'restart of sorts at 5am.
at TA8 having a snooze
BMS, (arrived at 22:00)
Adidas Terrex (19:30)
on the bike section, with ~three hours to go scheduled to pretty much arrive on time to go straight onto the rafting
Aerodiva (about 2 hours rest at TA7)
Merrell Adv Addicts (about 6 hours sleep at TA7)
at TA7 - should be able to get through the rafting today
at the real front end...it looks like thule have about 6kms on seagate who have 6 km on columbia vidaraid...watch this space!
I'm glad Merrell timed their TA7 sleep well, hoping they are going to have a solid rafting section with Tecnu/Adidas & Co. then smash the 89km paddle, my money is the them to arrive at TA10 in 4th... (and hold it to the finish :-) )
ok, seagate have just made a little whoopsie. they are paddling in the dark, and went up an inland channel instead of the sea tracking one.
thule came and went at 22:30 and hit the right channel dirrectly.
seagate arrived 23:30, so were effectively an hour behind, BUT they basically took 2 hours to get into the right channel, so are now 3 hours behind thule.
it's at a campsite called GVI Jalova from the GE satellite description..looks quite a spot.https://plus.google.com/106613163697474586109/abou...
Almost 3am local time here in Tortuguero and I'm just waiting for my boat taxi to the Boat/Hike TA. It just started pouring rain here a few minutes ago, so it may make for an interesting hike (and paddle). Thanks again for all the info!
Still anyone's race. Remember Seagate got at least 2 hrs sleep before the paddle. Thule will need to sleep or they will slow down.
Agreed, but looks like Seagate might have a problem. They have been stopped in the same place for around 40 minutes.
Thule will finish the paddle with almost a 3 hour lead. Unthinkable at the start of the paddle, but that's AR. They will surely have to sleep some before the end of the race. Right?...
You'd think so. But I've been thinking the same for 2-3 days now and they keep smashing it! My guess is that Seagate will have one more sleep too as I can't imagine teams getting through the 156km bike ride (which appears to be flat on open roads?) with tired eyes.
what say we start a petition to Canadian broadcasters to air Wild Racers? I'd sign in a heartbeat.
Spare a minute to say goodbye to AR photographer extraordinaire Andreas Strand, who is "retiring" after the ARWC.http://www.andreasstrand.se/2013/12/raceday-6-and-...
Hello World?!? Wakey, wakey! There's a race to watch here...
I am here at the TA waiting for Thule to arrive. The crew filming them have just left again to follow them into the TA. They said Thule was looking really rough last night, taking turns paddling and sleeping and swerving all over the place. Not sure if they will sleep here or not, but it sounded like they were pretty wiped. Just had a huge downpour about 10 minutes ago that I would not have wanted to be paddling in! Clearing up now looking like a beautiful day ahead. From the maps and the information I have it sounds like there is a really sketchy 18km hike on an old abandoned road (or trail). Strange thing here is that we have not seen any TA staff or anybody connected to the race, so not entirely sure what is up with that. Will try and update again when Thule come in if they decide to sleep and if I can get online again. Otherwise I will be heading out with them.
Not sure if the tracker was updated recently for Seagate, but the film crew said that where Seagate was located 10 minutes ago on the tracker was where they filmed Thule 4 hours ago.
putting my money where my mouth is, and started a petition to air AR on tv again. Click Me!
Just stepped out for a quick sprint O race, but now I'm ready to "watch" Merrell dominate this paddle! :)
Looks like Merrell will be getting on the water about 45mins behind Tecnu & co. - they won't be making up any time in the rafting section, but it will be interesting to see whether their early-race paddling pace returns on the 89km river paddle.
STERKTE!! (whatever that means, it's directed at the Addicts)
thule are almost at ta10 - it looks like there's a CP beyond there at the Turtle conservancy, and then you double back to TA. very hard to tell where checkpoints are, TA9 was labelled PC41, and TA10 is PC410? if the leaderboard is anything to go by, then it should be PC43
They are right there now, and if they will be wondering if they'll see seagate when they head back south to the transistion. That's not going to happen. Seagate are at a spot that Thule was at 4hours ago. they lost about another 90minutes either at a sleep or going round in circles at what must have been a checkpoint. Thule didn't battle at the same point, but CPs in the dark are never easy in a paddle. is that the race?
columbia are sitting pretty in third about 2 hours back, miles ahead of fourth..is there some huge gamble they can try in the final legs?
aerodiva seems to have stopped two thirds of the way to TA8, so haven't got onto the rafting yet. Merrell have timed it quite well and got onto the rafts just behind the pack of four. it's spreading out a bit but this is a fast stag and then the huge 89km paddle.
yup, still getting my head around 89km in a tomcat.
Sounds like we could have let you sleep longer, Relentless. The combination of Tomcats and sleepy racers in the dark... What do you mean by "sketchy" for the next trek?
Big thanks to the night shift!
Hoping for a healthy day shift too since a few of us regulars are going orienteering today.
Your last 3 posts indicate a little over 6 hrs of sleep for you Bash. Not good for your average....
LosDobos - sterkte is a way of saying good luck in Afrikaans. Directly translated it means strength.
@Jay, 5.5 but who's counting? Oh right, I am. And you too, apparently. :)
Good morning (Bash: 9 hours for me last night, and 10 hours the night before. Look out, I've been banking sleep for later in the race and you might not he able to hold up....)
Thule are on the trek and have already covered some good distance. Seagate are probably at the kayak CP at the turtle sanctuary about now.
So Thule would have done that little out and back paddle section without seeing Seagate, and gained a bit for knowledge of at least how much lead they have on Seagate (maybe could have estimated a 30 minute gap or so as a minimum?). This might give them a little idea of how much sleep they can afford to stop for.
There is also another little out and back at the end of their current trek / beginning of the next bike, so they'll have another chance to look behind themselves. Maybe that one will give them a chance to observe a bigger gap.
Wow Thule, so impressive! (Can you sense a new bias blooming?)
very hard to tell where TA10 is actually located on the map - i see the description is 'hut'.
it's probably at this lodge - http://www.mawamba.com/
tourist vid here, a different sort of holiday to ARWS http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedd...
"Can I arrive in Tortuguero by car?
No, there are no roads to get to Tortuguero. "
so who knows where the boats are staying nce they arrive!
there's no box or anything there..straight onto your feet, for what sounds like a not so straightforward trek. http://www.breathemag.ca/flashblog/2013/12/08/upda...
thule had 20 minutes in the same spot, but i guess it's just dump the boats and go. maybe some food from the lodge restaurant if you want to scrounge. then it looks like you have to cross the river twice, i'm guessing that's by swimming.
seagate are there now, so the lead is 3 hours.
That out and back at the end of the trek / beginning of the bike is pretty big. Could be 2 hours combined? This might let the teams see each other. (Oooooh, I wouldn't want to be the target of that stare from Nathan... Then again, I guess there may have been a similar stare given by Nathan to Thule at ARWC2011 Tasmania when Seagate was held at the last TA to sit out a 4 hour penalty, while Thule passed through. I think Thule then got about a 1 or 2 hour head start on that final biking section, knowing that Seagate would be rested and furious!
If you ever wondered what a frightened rabbit dressed in spandex might look like....!
Or,.... If Thule does that big out and back without seeing Seagate, they'll have a lot of info about how big their lead might be....
(Have I already said how awesome this is?! Already signed LosDobos' petition to say that this stuff should be on TV. Maybe they'll get LosDobos as the broadcaster (maybe that's his plan!). Hmmm.... Not just reading LosDobos, but now having to look at LosDobos...
For the hockey fans: picture Coach's Corner, some tall tall shirt collars and bad suits...)
Meanwhile, the rafting excitement is underway!
Actually finished the rafting and onto the kayaks:
Almost too close to tell who is leading
And Merrell transitioning to kayak
just got up here in the ottawa valley, thanks for the updates, this is so exciting....hmmm i smell breakfast.....
Looking at breadcrumb tracks:
Aerodiva and then Bones on the rafts (9th and 10th)
I know there's plenty of racing left, but right now it looks Seagate may have been out paddled & out navigated? I know it's heresy to suggest it, but Seagate's biggest strengths have been where they've given up the most time to Thule this race.
This trek that Thule is on is the 30 cm of mud route, if I'm not mistaken, where it's deep mud the whole way (according to what race organizers told me)
MoreOrLess has a lot of company, which they will find comforting and exciting .....a lot of stories from this one I'm sure... battle on for 4th also
Untamed and gearjunkies appear to be trekking together.
Team 48 may be descending the wrong ridge?...
Untamedadventur: I was thinking the same things,but almost couldn't bring myself to say it!
30 cm of mud for the whole trek? Man, the epic sections never end!
And I wonder if the biking nearby will be similar?!
on the restart. Sounds like Adidas will be glad to not be on there feet.
Wow, the three dots in the battle for 4th are too close to call right now, even looking at breadcrumb tracks and upload times.
Maybe they've agreed to pace line in an attempt to catch 3rd place....
If Adidas' feet are swollen badly enough, it might even be a bit painful to push hard on the bike pedals, but probably still better than walking. That is, IF the biking section is rideable....
Putting the biking shoes on may be the real problem... How oversize do you go with the kit? Looking at the tracks I think they are dropping back in the tomcats anyway so it's may just be a case of trying to finish rather than racing for 4th.
Is Seagate falling further behind? It looks like they haven't moved much, while Thule has.
Quasarlontra is definitely ahead of Tecnu on the paddle
Looks like Mountain Hradware and East Wind are racing to get though the rafting before the cut-off
Looks like Seagate are paying the lodge an extended visit. A good Breakfast I assume. They will have Columbia for company if they don't get going soon.
Man, Thule has made the big righthand turn toward their bikes and Seagate still isn't off the paddle.
Can someone tell me how often the trackers leave a breadcrumb (when they are working)? Thule is about 14 breadcrumb tracking dots ahead of where Seagate is. That must add up to quite a few hours...
every 20 minutes when they are running smoothly
Yikes, so that's about 5 hours of breadcrumbs that Thule has ahead of Seagate? (Although Seagate's tracker was about 30 minutes behind on updating when I last checked)
btw, you can also see the timestamps on the breadcrumb dots if you click them.
Seagate looks like maybe they're having trouble finding the CP! And Columbia are on their way!
Thanks Ken! I'm sure others discussed some of these details long ago but I've been too wrapped up in following the race to do all the background work including reading race section descriptions etc.
Go Marco! This is shaping up to be quite the battle between Seagate and Columbia again! Hopefully the slowdown is due to problems finding a CP rather than injury or illness.
Yes, Marco is having an epic year! Wow, to be in the hunt with Seagate and Thule!
Marco is defending champion of this race...
Good point wilberto, I forgot that!
the CP is at the Laguna Lodge Hotel. It can't be hard to find. Something strange is afoot.
the race slider just above the map is a cool tool,I just selected the 10 teams around team MoreOrLess and watching the race develope... I know there have been some frustrations , but this has been one of the better races that I have followed....thanks gang..... Slice is nice!!!!! :-)
hmmm Slice is also one of the defending champions :-)
I was just thinking that - we have all 4 defending champs of the Costa Rica race here.... But on 3 different teams!
the Tomcats are inflatable...Seagate may have punctured
You put a big smile on my face CO
Just catching up. Looking at Seagate and Colombia's position, there must be a CP further up from the TA correct? That's a HUGE lead for Thule now especially given the conditions of that trek!
Wow, the world changed while I went orienteering!
Both are on The Snake Trek. Thule is nearing the TA (or maybe at the TA - they haven't updated in awhile). Columbia just started.
According to official race Twitter, they are still in the TA and are having problems with foot blisters. That doesn't explain their trouble on the paddle but it would sure be important for this mucky trek coming up.
I assume Relentless is trekking with the leaders, i.e. Thule this time instead of Seagate. Looking forward to his next update!
Seagate now out. Race for 4th just became race for third!https://twitter.com/arcostarica/status/40976929702...
WOW!!! And that's why the race for 4th was always so important. I'm sad for Seagate; they are such strong competitors and nice people but it's been a really tough race, and sometimes these things happen.
This pretty much guarantees a night with very little sleep...
wow. going to be a fun race to watch for that 3rd spot on the podium.
The tracking site just got a whole lot less useful - no timestamps when hovering over team-names and I can't seem to get the breadcrumbs anymore. Am I missing something?
Any idea what the time gap is now between Columbia and the chase pack? Surely a lot less than the 15h dark zone by now?
refresh the page, the timestamps went away when they added the analysis feature, but I asked them to put it back, so just reload the tracking page and you should be ok
It's still working for me.
It looks like Quasarlontra is in 3rd with Tecnu right behind them. Adidas Terrex is not far back in 5th, and BMS Multisport is 2 km behind them in 6th. It's anybody's bronze. (And of course, gold and silver aren't wrapped up yet either.)
[Edit: just updated all the rankings because I was still counting Seagate out of habit!]
well, i officially just cleared my schedule and called in sick to work tomorrow. I have ordered extra coffee delivered to the house. This just got really interesting.
What analysis feature? Sorry, I foolishly went out and enjoyed some fresh air. Your parents say hi, LosDobos. ;)
From what I could tell it still looks like the chase pack is ~15 hours back.
Looks like Merrell have in fact lost a bit of ground (or water) on the paddle so far - currently 60-90mins back from the other 4 teams.
Thule just starting biking.
bugsInTeeth - indeed... the length of that coastal stretch is deceiving. It's easy to forget that they're paddling tomcats from the comfort of my chair :)
well, i officially just cleared my schedule and called in sick...
And Ken has gone off to upgrade the server. ;)
They only have 3-ish hours of daylight left so the chase pack could run into some of the same nav issues that Seagate did.
Just got back from running some errands with Carbon, and Wow! So sad to hear the news about Seagate....
What an incredible race!
Wow. This is crazy. Let's go Tecnu...3rd is yours to get! Also...being that I had the honor to race with the very nice Marco this year...go Columbia!!
Two of the top teams out! Wow, what a race. This must be a hard withdrawal for Seagate. I can't help to think that something else but blisters was the problem. Maybe someone is sick.
Regarding the tracking page, you can keep the old version as long as you don't leave/reload the page. Likewise for the full-screen map page that somebody linked to long ago.
Or if you have refreshed, just replace the link with: http://live.arcostarica.com/tracking/index.cfm
Seagate is out of the race: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keK7sGO7V4U
Grabbed off Sleepmonsters on FB, not mine :D
Wow fuddam, that perfectly captures how I feel!!
Ah, thanks Stijn, I didn't notice it was a different url. and it looks like the menu link is fixed to go to the right place now.
Just realized the teams on the coastal paddle won't know Seagate has withdrawn until they get to the TA.
I know they are racing hard for 4th but I imagine they'll have another gear for the podium.
Yes M22' that will give the quite a jolt, 1) to realize that they are battling for third, and 2) to wrap their heads around why the top team in the world had to pull out.
Have I mentioned that this is an incredible race???!!!
pic of Seagate off boat: http://pic.twitter.com/Y4PFczr1s5
Photog says some of them could barely walk. Kayak had exacerbated the problems.
I wonder if Columbia knows that Seagate has withdrawn? There might even be a possibility that Columbia never saw Seagate, and only learned that they are in second place when they got to the TA at the end of the kayak.
Whoops, did anyone catch my Freudian skip about "Seabate" before I edited it? :)
W O W. Sorry to hear about Seagate as they have gutted it out this far but must have been pretty serious to have to drop out. Gonna be a crazy finish for third!