Discussion: Preliminary combined results

Preliminary combined results for the 2023 OUSA Masters are posted here:https://roc.us.orienteering.org/resources/results/...

thx BFLO and ROC for a fun weekend. always enjoyable popping across the border from hamilton to these western NY races.

Thank you for the challenging courses this weekend, and for all the volunteers' work to get them ready to present. Thanks also to the cheery bus driver (on the bus I took back from Sunday's finish) who made sitting in sticker-seed-filled clothing more bearable. :-D

Just saw the other links. Will you have Route Gadget available?

It would be very blissful to one day see a copy of the above posted with U.S. Masters eligibility noted. I'd love to know who the defending Champion is in my AG 7 months from now, and I'm assuming he's not a Canadian...

Note that in M35, Sergei Fedorov actually ran 82:05 on Sunday for a combined total of 152:40 and was the winner (he didn't clear his SI, and his time was calculated from his Saturday start -- I'm guessing this will be corrected at some point).

Yes I should be sorting the overall and US Masters eligible overall times this evening.
Will post here when final is updated.

Put up the prelim raw output to those most curious. Unfortunately the output formatting is not well editable or scraped.

Overall results updated - should be the same links

Thanks, eligibility looks good for the categories I looked at!

Thanks - Event Recap has been updated with the 2023 Champions List...

You have at least one little mistake in the list of those eligible.
The posted eligible for medals is/ was :" Orienteering USA member" So a person could be a Canadian but also a member of OUSA and of an OUSA registered club and therefore eligible for a medal. according to the posted rule.

Was looking at the results, and glad that to see that the event went well, and everybody had a great time, but.... one thing that struck me is that there is a "club" designation, and it seems that almost everyone, like 99% of the participants, all belong to some orienteering club. It is as if nobody on the outside of orienteering club would know of this event, or have interest in participating at this event. Just an observation. Cheers.

Relevant OUSA Rule for National Champs eligibility:

A.12.2.1

The title of Orienteering USA National Champion in any class as determined at an officially designated Orienteering USA Nationals Event shall be limited to any person who meets both of the following criteria before starting the competition:
a. Is a regular member in good standing of Orienteering USA
b. Is either a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States of America

@GlenT, thx. Understood now.

@sherpes: you may be looking at this backwards. This is a national championship event, and most people who are interested enough in orienteering to attend a national championship are probably involved enough to have joined the nearest club. (Heck, I belong to at least three clubs!)

Would love to see Livelox or any maps from the weekend.

The only person I'm surprised to see not listed as US eligible is Keegan Harkavy, NEOC, M-21+.

Thanks for clarifying Glen.
However I would like to point out that at least on two occasions the organizers of the OUSA Masters Nationals wrote in bulletins for the event that to be eligible for an award the participant must be a member of Orienteering USA. Full Stop. There was no mention of good standing or of citizenship or of permanent residence.
To be clear, I'm not contesting my right to a medal and either way I qualify for the maple syrup I picked up . But for future organizers of future events if you are going to write about qualifications for awards please quote the entire rule.

But one other question: How do the Masters Nationals and the Junior Nationals award national championship status to certain age classes and yet the Orienteering USA National Championships award the same titles for the same age classes? In my naivety I thought events such as last weekend's earned titles of 'Nationals champion' but not THE National Champion' and thus had a more open consideration of eligibility.

@gord: Jr Natls championships are based on grade (PS-IS-HS) / enrollment (college), not age, so there is no overlap with age-class (US Nationals) titles.

I've been the registrar for many, many, US Champs / Nationals events, and have only considered someone to have met the OUSA membership requirement, if they were a member through ALL of the races.

That said, anyone who met the citizen / resident requirement, and joined / renewed OUSA during the event -- including doing it through event admin (me) -- would be considered eligible for all races.

FWIW, IMO, OUSA should consider allowing foreign exchange students to be eligible for Interscholastic / Intercollegiate individual titles (in addition to team member titles).

There are no Masters Championships at stake for M-21+ (or say F-10), so whether Keegan (or Heidi, the F-10 winner) were Championship-eligible or not is not particularly relevant.

Oh right. Thanks for the clarification, Vladimir (I wasn't thinking).

I'd have expected to see Ken Walker Jr as the M45 winner...

Vladimir (and others) - The OUSA Event Recap has the list of this year's champions as well as a link into the OUSA Library for the list of previous champions.

Just so you know where to look in 7 months...

Wilsmith - typo, my mistake. Thanks for pointing that out... all fixed on the recap.

Nice to see good, meaningful competition in the M35-49 and F35-54 age ranges. At many events, the best athletes run up into 21. Here, it seems like most athletes ran their own age group.

@gord: Jr. Nationals and Masters Nationals are both combined two-day events. So the format for which someone is winning the Nationals title is different. Similar to Nationals, where you can be sprint champion, or middle champion, or long champion. This isn't any of those. And as GuyO already pointed out, the categories at Jr. Nationals aren't aligned exactly with the usual age classes.

As GlenT posted, you must meet the eligibility requirements "...before starting the competition." Membership can be collected by the registrar on site, but it has to happen prior to your first championship race.

For events using EventReg, it has a section to check whether you meet National eligibility requirements with an explanation of what those are (I believe).

smittyo I see now the difference in assigning national champion titles. The folks who competed and won last weekend are called the OUSA Masters Champions as outlined on Clint's excellent spreadsheet. (and congratulations to Angelica Riley on winning her age class five straight years)
Those who win their age classes in each of the races upcoming at the next National Championship to be hosted by DVOA will just be national champions in Sprint, Middle or Long. I hope there is a similar spreadsheet for that event, say going back to 1969 as it is an important legacy and also an encouragement to some to attend their national event. It's not exactly like winning the Stanley Cup but having one's name listed for posterity is important for many folks and their families. I know it is a good draw for orienteering in Florida where the JROTC individual champions in each class going back to 2014 are listed on the Suncoast Orienteering website.

gordhun - not my spreadsheet(s) - OUSA Historical data can be found in the OUSA library. I just try to keep it up to date. (Link to main OUSA Library can be found in the footer on all the regular OUSA web pages)

Note: Prior to 2018 what are now the OUSA Masters Championships were known as the US Classic Championships. These were awarded to all age groups, not just Masters, so the US Champions list there goes back to 1970.

Plenty of gaps in those listings and I'm happy to fill in missing data if someone has the data in a readily accessible format.

FWIW - The first champion on the current individual list also happens to be one Angelica Riley, who won the 1999 Night-O Championships that year.

I think those gaps are just classes that nobody entered

I was referring to sparse data in the mid 70s. Just list Men, Women, Jr Men, Jr Woman champion - no age groups. Perhaps there were no categories other than M/W Open & Junior back then.

@cmorse...The ones to ask are the ones who were champions then and are still orienteering today...like PG.

My guess is that the first few years there were no other classes. Notice that they didn't add any older age groups past 56+ until 1985.

I tried in vain to get missing data for some of the NAOCs held in Canada whose results pages were not accessible during my tenure as web keeper. (2010, 2006, 2002, etc.)

I can tell you who finished 2nd in NAOC M55 in 2002 and first in NAOC M55 Middle in 2006 and with seven seconds and three fourths in 12 events in the 20th Century.
Why so many seconds? It was the curse of being in the same age class as Peter Gagarin. (well H-21 1973 it was the Bob Tuirbyfill curse and 1975 Ted de St Croix).

You and me both Gord.